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re: Who the hell is Snoke? (Spoils)

Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:00 pm to
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:00 pm to
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That....that was always the case.

No one said otherwise.

That doesn't mean everyone under the sun can somehow do shite the best of Jedi couldn't.

Consider this: In all of the film history, Yoda was regarded as having one of the highest raw power of all Jedi, only toppled by Anakin Skywalker, and only that because he is literally born of the Force.

Now you Have Rey, someone of no special bloodline and essentially no training, somehow exceeding the feats of those.

Tasks that they struggled with, she can do easily.

Please.


Yup.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
15485 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:01 pm to
Yeah I’m not gonna get my hopes up but I it would be pretty cool. It stays in the lore since plagueis is mentioned in ROTS, while still bringing out a new face.

It would explain snokes fixation on Darth Vader, since many think anakin was created by plagueis and sidious experimenting with the force to create life.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84616 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:18 pm to
I agree Rey is too powerful and too skilled, too quickly.

But there’s no reason she had to be blood related to the skywalkers and there’s no reason to think there can’t be Force users, both dark and light, out there. My comment was directed at some critics who seem to suggest otherwise.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:35 pm to
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To be fair, just because of what happened in VIII doesn't mean we can't learn more about his origins in IX.

How does that in any way help the story?

"There was this guy named Plagueis that could create life. I killed him." See how the telling of his story is reduced to a couple lines AFTER a man is dead? Snoke needed a greater story to tell when he was alive and affecting change, than he does as an campfire story. Plagueis story is more about the Emperor turning Vader than it is about Plagueis ability to create life
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41017 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:36 pm to
It’s not that she has to be that bloodline. They are trying so hard to show that you don’t have to be “somebody” to be special. She has done things that Yoda, Sidious, or Anakin took years to be able to do, with absolutely no real training on how to use the force. None at all. When she had full control over all those boulders at the end of the film, that was just pure garbage.
Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
29689 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:39 pm to
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I'm still upset after leaving the theater I'm not even ready to talk more about it. It's a shame. A goddamn shame.


Some of you have legit issues
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53388 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 4:40 pm to
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But there’s no reason she had to be blood related to the skywalkers and there’s no reason to think there can’t be Force users, both dark and light, out there. My comment was directed at some critics who seem to suggest otherwise.


To put her in the role they kinda are...yes. Yes she does.


Or at least have the big reveal being that Anakin WASN'T the only one born of the Force.

Look! A way to keep the SJW plot happy while not pissing on the history!

The stuff they show her doing isn't typical Jedi Knight stuff. Again, they have showed this in the movies. I'm not even touching anything outside of that. Not even book novelizations. But she just walks in the door on par with the legendary Jedi.

Hell, compare her training to Luke's.

Yoda made him do shite to train his mind and body, and seek self discovery and enlightenment.

Rey's "training" was essentially to listen to philosophy of a depressed man. And the movie's point was to show him that he was wrong. So she literally had nothing to learn from him. But oh, now she is "trained" and can do whatever she wants.

I bet she takes out a star destroyer with the Force next episode.

Seriously, think about Rey's time on Skywalker's island, and compare it to Luke's on Degobah.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 4:44 pm
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37510 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:02 pm to
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But there’s no reason she had to be blood related to the skywalkers and there’s no reason to think there can’t be Force users, both dark and light, out there. My comment was directed at some critics who seem to suggest otherwise.


To put her in the role they kinda are...yes. Yes she does.


Or at least have the big reveal being that Anakin WASN'T the only one born of the Force.



Yeah. There is history in the Star Wars universe to strongly suggest that the force is most powerful among those who are relatives of those who are strongest.

To reiterate the most obvious point from the original canon on this point: Vader, Luke, and Leia were three of the last remaining powerful force users and they are obviously father and his twins.

Make Rey another virgin birth if needed. But a viewer who doesn't understand people asking these questions doesn't' seem aware of the most obvious parts of the Star Wars universe.
Posted by Warfarer
Dothan, AL
Member since May 2010
12417 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 5:46 pm to
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It’s not that she has to be that bloodline. They are trying so hard to show that you don’t have to be “somebody” to be special. She has done things that Yoda, Sidious, or Anakin took years to be able to do, with absolutely no real training on how to use the force. None at all. When she had full control over all those boulders at the end of the film, that was just pure garbage.


these were major issues I had with her parents just being junkie traders selling her for a hit.

If this holds true then you have this:

1. She has no training and somehow inherits the ability to fight one of the most powerful guys to ever exist in the Star Wars universe.

2. She is gaining knowledge of the force faster than anyone in the series of the movies or canon that I am aware of.

3. what was the draw of the saber to her? This is a question that should have been answered this movie even if it were a throw away line.

I don't have problems with her being a super powerful natural force wielder and I don't have a problem about the fighting since she knew how to fight with her staff already. I have a problem with her putting all of this together without any struggle at all and just thinking about the force.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84616 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:16 pm to
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Seriously, think about Rey's time on Skywalker's island, and compare it to Luke's on Degobah.

And Luke’s training was seriously short and started at too old of an age. So yeah, it’s BS that Rey can do all this. We saw Yoda do some lifting of objects but mostly the Force was mind tricks, light saber skill, and having the light saber fly to the hand. What Rey is doing is getting to where Snoke was, which was something like Magneto but for any material.

But whether or not she’s a Skywalker or a nobody, it’s bullshite.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84616 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:20 pm to
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Vader, Luke, and Leia were three of the last remaining powerful force users and they are obviously father and his twins

It would be hard to continue making movies if all the strong Force users were dead. Saying the Force can be strong in a nobody relieves the writers of having to link any strong Force user to a Skywalker or Kenobi. Keeps the universe from feeling to incestuous.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53388 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:20 pm to
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And Luke’s training was seriously short and started at too old of an age.


Short?

In the greater scheme of things yes.

But estimates of Luke’s training is easily months.

I don’t see Rey staying for even a single week.

In which she spent more time with Kylo than Luke.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 6:21 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84616 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:21 pm to
Yes Luke’s training was short, compared to the typical Jedi. Didn’t Yoda say as much? Anyway, we agree that Rey’s power arc is BS.
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
7591 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:35 pm to
If Rian had anything to do with Jaws, Sheider and Dreyfuss would have just floated around drinking at the end of the movie never seeing the shark again.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 6:53 pm to
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This movie made it clear that the Force exists outside of trained jedis and outside of specific bloodlines.


No shite, there are plenty of other Jedis in the universe besides the skywalkers
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:30 pm to
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No shite, there are plenty of other Jedis in the universe besides the skywalkers

Really? Name them?

Because after order 66 in the 1st trilogy, they were all killed. Forcing the twins, Obi, and Yoda into hiding. Leaving only the 2 Sith.

Then after the 2nd trilogy Luke and Leia were the only survivors (and she wasn't even a Jedi). Because we were specifically told that the force was a phony, dying religion by the Empire

So at the start of the 3rd trilogy, Luke has found some kids that he was training, but they were killed by a 'Skywalker'. Once again leaving Luke, Leia, and her son as the only force users. Well, except for Snoke (whoever the hell he is). Per canon he is a Sith, and Kylo his only apprentice. Thusly leaving Luke as, ahem, THE LAST JEDI. Or perhaps you missed the title?

There are no more. Except this girl, with no lineage, and no training, who showed no skills as a kid like Anakin did, who was drawn to the Skywalker constructed lightsaber, and had foreknowledge of the Falcon, and is now the most powerful person ever

bullshite.

It stinks. Its lazy writing, and it just shows that Rian and company are poor researchers
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53388 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:52 pm to
It’s really bad.

Mary Sue should be renamed Rey Dumpsterdiver
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 7:59 pm to
Who said he's dead?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
84616 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:06 pm to
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No shite, there are plenty of other Jedis in the universe besides the skywalkers

Then it’s no big deal that Rey isn’t a Skywalker. Some here have a problem with that. My comment was directed at those folk.
Posted by TheFolker
Member since Aug 2011
5489 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:10 pm to
I don’t care that she’s not a Skywalker. I just don’t like being led to believe for a movie and a half that she was somebody if she isn’t. If it doesn’t matter don’t act like it fricking matters to begin with.
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