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re: who is considered the greatest/biggest movie star of all time?
Posted on 5/28/14 at 3:47 pm to DivotBreath
Posted on 5/28/14 at 3:47 pm to DivotBreath
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Stars from the golden age were really only known outside of Hollywood when fans saw them in a movie, thus, they seemed bigger than life. Stars today are known more for their off-screen antics, politics, talk shows, etc... than they are for their actual work.
To a certain degree - there was still a tabloid system back then, just not the breadth and depth we have now - just twitter and TMZ alone probably remove the mystique of virtually any star.
The Golden Age stars' private lives were carefully controlled and marketed - with an exclusionary system - now it's the reverse - most stars are inclusionary, by exception - they live and die at the box office based on the social media campaigns. To a certain degree all modern "stars" are branded like the legends once were, but dilution has reduced their relative value.
Frank Sinatra, for example, was once at the intersection of everything - Hollywood, pop music, media, government, organized crime - virtually any problem was solvable by The Chairman with 1 or 2 phone calls.
Just absolutely zero chance of anybody like that in Hollywood - much less talent - having that kind of pull today - Cruise probably comes closest with his influence in Scientology. Hip-hop stars at the very top tier have some of this influence now (and I'm thinking specifically of the amount of wealth and access to government that Jay-Z has at his disposal).
Posted on 5/28/14 at 4:18 pm to 632627
Tom Cruise if we are talking stardom directly related to movies
Posted on 5/28/14 at 4:45 pm to 632627
No 7 degrees of Kevin bacon love?
Posted on 5/28/14 at 5:25 pm to 632627
How did this thread get five pages with no mention of Elizabeth Taylor? Forgive her for getting old.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/28/14 at 5:52 pm to 632627
John Wayne
He was the biggest star in Hollywood for decades. And now 4 decades after his death he has become an American icon. I don't think 4 decades after any present "star" is dead they will have attained the cultural touchstone status that the Duke has.
He was the biggest star in Hollywood for decades. And now 4 decades after his death he has become an American icon. I don't think 4 decades after any present "star" is dead they will have attained the cultural touchstone status that the Duke has.
Posted on 5/28/14 at 6:39 pm to Jamohn
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Monroe was more famous as a pin-up, model, socialite, and just a chick who fricked rich high-profile dudes than she was for acting in movies.
So she was the Kim Kardashian of her time?
Posted on 5/28/14 at 8:49 pm to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
Great framework. Good to see Newman mentioned as a "great" bridging the 1970 divide.
Also good to see Ned Beatty mentioned.
Interesting the post 70's not "larger than life" aspect." In a sense prophesied by Hollywood:
Joe Gillis: You're Norma Desmond. You used to be in silent pictures. You used to be big.
Norma Desmond: I am big. It's the pictures that got small.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:01 am to Byron Bojangles III
Charlie Chaplin?
But...
But...
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it'll be Leo before it's all said and done.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:54 am to 632627
Considering America is the capital and juggernaught of the movie industry - there's only one guy...worldwide...
“To the people of the world, John Wayne is not just an actor, and a very fine actor. John Wayne is the United States of America.
He is what they believe it to be. He is what they hope it will be. And he is what they hope it will always be. It is every person’s dream that the United States will be like John Wayne and always be like him.
“I believe Duke lives by a phrase that I learned as a school girl in Ireland: ‘Breathes there a man with soul so dead who never to himself hath said, this is my own, my native land.’
“I beg you to strike the medal for Duke; to order the President to strike it. And I feel that the medal should say just one thing: John Wayne, American.” - Maureen O'Hara
“To the people of the world, John Wayne is not just an actor, and a very fine actor. John Wayne is the United States of America.
He is what they believe it to be. He is what they hope it will be. And he is what they hope it will always be. It is every person’s dream that the United States will be like John Wayne and always be like him.
“I believe Duke lives by a phrase that I learned as a school girl in Ireland: ‘Breathes there a man with soul so dead who never to himself hath said, this is my own, my native land.’
“I beg you to strike the medal for Duke; to order the President to strike it. And I feel that the medal should say just one thing: John Wayne, American.” - Maureen O'Hara
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 1:55 am
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:45 am to 632627
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632627
who is considered the greatest/biggest movie star of all time?
john wayne
jimmy stewart
pacino
de niro
bogart
???
I would add to that list:
Clark Gable
Spencer Tracey
Gary Cooper
Katherine Hepburn
Sidney Poitier
Dustin Hoffman
Kevin Spacey
Meryl Streep
Gary Oldman
Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Tom Hanks
Leo Dicaprio
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:53 am to DallasTiger11
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Tom Cruise? Are you all serious? Over Marilyn Monroe and/or John Wayne?
There are more people in the world that know who Tom Cruise is than John Wayne and Marilyn Monroe combined. Sorry for the reality check.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:55 am to 632627
JESSE HEIMAN
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These threads are hilarious. There is always a faction of people listing actors from the 30s-50s and claiming no one before or since could ever be as famous and to suggest so is ridiculous.
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These threads are hilarious. There is always a faction of people listing actors from the 30s-50s and claiming no one before or since could ever be as famous and to suggest so is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 8:56 am
Posted on 5/29/14 at 9:25 am to Breesus
James Cagney. He could do it all, even the dancing. One hellava gangster player.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 10:06 am to LSUbacchus
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Cruise is without a doubt up there...it's 2014 and he's still in box office blockbusters.
This but I would have to go with Clint Eastwood in terms of total body of work up to this point.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:25 pm to MetryTyger
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I would add to that list:
Clark Gable
Spencer Tracey
Gary Cooper
Katherine Hepburn
Sidney Poitier
Dustin Hoffman
Kevin Spacey
Meryl Streep
Gary Oldman
Phillip Seymour Hoffman
Tom Hanks
Leo Dicaprio
so you really think those people are in consideration for biggest movie star of all time ?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:28 pm to Breesus
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These threads are hilarious. There is always a faction of people listing actors from the 30s-50s and claiming no one before or since could ever be as famous and to suggest so is ridiculous.
3 names keep popping up, john wayne, marilyn monroe and tom cruise. wayne was popular from the late 30s to the 70s, monroe from mid 50s to 60s and cruise has been the man since the mid 80s. regarding the fact that many of the names are from a long time ago, you can't deny that there was a golden age of hollywood where there was a mystique about the actors and they were larger than life. there are really only a handful of people like that now, and none of them can top john wayne.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:52 pm to 632627
I think Leonardo DiCaprio is well on his way to becoming one of the greatest movie stars of all time. Guy makes great films with amazing skills.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 1:41 pm to dnm3305
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There are more people in the world that know who Tom Cruise is than John Wayne and Marilyn Monroe combined. Sorry for the reality check.
The thread says biggest star of all time. Not how many people in remote China have heard of someone. There's more that goes into being a star than popularity in random parts of the world. Sorry for the reality check.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:46 pm to 632627
If we're taking cultural icon, Bruce Lee would definitely have to be up there.
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