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re: When did M*A*S*H jump the shark for you?

Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:37 pm to
Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:37 pm to
Klinger taking over for Radar.

Watched very few after that.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:41 pm to
It only maybe did in hindsight.

Enjoyed most every episode as a kid.

But when Alan Alda got control, the show shifted.

Reruns were more enjoyable during the Trapper and Frank years...if you want to call that jumping the shark.
This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 9:42 pm
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:46 pm to
quote:

Klinger taking over for Radar
They originally intended to give Rizzo the clerk job, but instead gave it to Klinger

The guy who played Rizzo went to HS w/JJx2:
Jimmy Johnson
Janis Joplin
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:51 pm to
The show often totally sucked in later years.

"Dreams" & the one where Hawkeye reads the nurse's eulogy (& tells everyone how much he loves them) can battle it out for rock bottom.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:58 pm to
quote:

the cast loved Larry Linville


By reputation, he was a great coworker on the set, although obviously his personal life didn't fully reflect that with 5 marriages.

I think he left the show because he felt that the character was played out, had no more stories and he was already typecast enough for it as it was.

quote:

It helps if you see the show in 3 parts.


I do enjoy all the "eras" of M*A*S*H, but certainly my favorites are with Trapper and Henry. The show was as pure an entertainment vehicle and, while silly, did not drift nearly into either farce or preachiness that the later eras would.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 11:25 pm to
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When did M*A*S*H jump the shark for you?


when they got rid of frank that was the end for me

klinger to radar swap worked but charles swapped for frank just never worked for me
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 11:50 pm to
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charles swapped for frank just never worked for me
I actually like Charles. Frank had become a buffoonish punching bag. But Charles was a much more capable foil for Hawkeye.

Everything else about the later seasons sucked.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 12:04 am to
After the movie.
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 1:06 am to
Thinking back I remember my dad loving that show. He stopped watching it and I asked why. "I'm not watching that commie shite", which kept me from watching. Seems like 4-5 seasons into it. Not sure what he meant.

I've never watched it in its entirety so I have no opinion. I do not see the appeal with Alda, personally or professionally.

Posted by lsusa
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 1:12 am to
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MASH never had any thing as ridiculous as Fonzie Jumping a Shark Tank or Indy surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge as a movie example. Long running shows have character turnovers and storylines evolve but MASH never "Jumped the Shark" as I accept the term. They show had a wonderful run and ran it's course.


Fair enough. You’re correct that there wasn’t ever a true jumping of the shark

Posted by TigerMyth36
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 5:29 am to
I liked Mash until the end. Yes some episodes were preachy but I still liked it. I liked Winchester better than Frank who was nothing more than a punching bag. Frank occasionally got some good licks in against Hawkeye and Frank although a snob sometimes showed a different side. He wasn't as one dimensional as Frank. Sure we NEVER wanted to hear about freaking Peg from BJ. He was not as fun as Trapper. Margaret and Donald sucked. I liked Potter. Once again, even though I like Blake he was the stereotypical bumbling boss. Maybe as an adult, my opinion would change if I watched them again, but growing up with Mash, I liked them all.

After Mash.... yikes.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 5:30 am
Posted by Lakefront-Tiger
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 6:42 am to
Watched every episode with my Dad after the WWL 10pm News, with a bowl of ice cream.
They started to lose us when Dr. Freeman the shrink came on and Hawkeye started having his mental issues.

CSB: My best friend's Dad was a MASH Surgeon in Korea, said it was nothing like that, but it was always cold.
Posted by TD422
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Member since Jun 2019
486 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:09 am to
quote:

eliminating Spearchucker


I seem to recall reading that Spearchucker was removed since there were no black surgeons in Korea. Not sure if that's true or not. I believe I may have read that on the internet, so it's probably true.

I'm not a fan of BJ's character, but the best scene in the series for me is when BJ arrives at camp, steps out of the jeep hammered to the beejezus and gives Frank the "What say, Ferret Face?". Hawkeye loses it right there, and it might have been a genuine reaction.

BJ Arrives at the 4077th
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 9:12 am
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:14 am to
I don't know when MASH jumped, but it obviously did. Not that it was ever Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers, but there was at least an attempt at realism for the first couple of seasons. The final seasons with the aging cast in an 11 year campaign during a 3 year war was a parody of a parody. The show lost its edge once BJ showed up. It was always entertaining but never as good as it was in the first couple of seasons.
Posted by rebelrouser
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:20 am to
Trapper>BJ
Frank Burn>Charles
Blake>Potter

4 good seasons.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30152 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:46 am to
I never understood why they let the show become Alda's personal vanity project. When the show started, he wasn't a big star, certainly not a household name. He wasn't more of a draw than Rogers. Yet, the writers and producers favored Alda with jokes and screen time to the point Rogers got fed up and left. Why? In the movie, Trapper was as big of a character as Hawkeye. Never made sense to me.
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
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Member since May 2014
17053 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 9:54 am to
With Frank Burns- awesome

Without Frank Burns- sucks
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:12 am to
IDK about jumping the shark but when Hawkeye got that lady to silence her *chicken in the bus to avoid them all being found by the enemy, that was pretty dark.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:33 am to
quote:

I never understood why they let the show become Alda's personal vanity project. When the show started, he wasn't a big star, certainly not a household name. He wasn't more of a draw than Rogers. Yet, the writers and producers favored Alda with jokes and screen time to the point Rogers got fed up and left. Why?
Because he gave a better, funnier performance from the start, and was the break-out actor. Same reason they attempted to do the same with Fonzie until Winkler put a stop to it for the benefit of his costars.
Posted by 88Wildcat
Topeka, Ks
Member since Jul 2017
13953 posts
Posted on 3/25/24 at 10:35 am to
It never completely jumped the shark but it was not as funny once they started writing Hot Lips as a serious character with a feminist streak.
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