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When did M*A*S*H jump the shark for you?

Posted on 3/24/24 at 5:23 pm
Posted by Adajax
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 5:23 pm
The first three seasons were great - funny, irreverent, anti-war message cloaked in comic shenanigans never taking itself too seriously. That began to slowly change in Season 4. There were still some funny moments but the show was becoming more preachy and self-righteous. By the end of the series it was unwatchable except the final episode.

To me it jumped the shark when writers ended the relationsip between Hot Lips and Frank was ending. Her whole personality changed and she became a female Hawkeye. And when they took Klinger out of a dress, it was the nail in the coffin.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 5:36 pm to
Never
Posted by HueyLongJr
Mamou
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 5:45 pm to
When they cast Alan Alda.
Posted by poppa1254
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 5:46 pm to
BJ Hunnicutt
Posted by Philzilla
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 5:46 pm to
I’m not that old.

Caveat, movie is awesome.
This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 5:47 pm
Posted by Kafka
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 5:56 pm to
The show lost Stevenson (a huge blow) & Rogers (100x preferable to Farrell) after s3, then show runner Larry Gelbart after s4.

But if you must have one turning point, it can be narrowed down not to one season, or one episode, or even one scene, but one shot:

"The Late Captain Pierce"
s4 e4

A bureaucratic mistake leaves the army thinking that Hawkeye Pierce is dead, and he simultaneously enjoys the lack of responsibility that comes from being legally deceased, with trying to contact his father back in Maine to tell him he's still alive.
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Captain Pratt (Eldon Quick), who promises to fix the error, but the paperwork is voluminous and the protocol involved is time-consuming. In the meantime Pierce, with no money or mail, will have to remain, in Pratt's words, an "unperson." In a fit of anger, Hawkeye decides to accept his fate and desert as a suppositious cadaver; despite Digger's protest that he can't take passengers, Hawkeye climbs on board Digger's cadaver bus and prepares to leave saying, "I'm not a passenger, I'm cargo." As a deluge of wounded arrive, B.J. attempts to dissuade Hawkeye from leaving, but citing Trapper and Henry's respective departures, Hawkeye argues that the wounded will keep coming whether he's there or not. The bus drives off, but stops just outside camp in front of Rosie's Bar; Hawkeye grudgingly climbs out the back door and walks back to camp.
After that moment, MASH would never again be the same show.

Posted by CU_Tigers4life
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:06 pm to
When Pvt Charles Lamb was shipped back to the States
This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 6:07 pm
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:09 pm to
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When Pvt Charles Lamb was shipped back to the States
to be Radar's little brother
Posted by tossedoff
LP
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:24 pm to
It helps if you see the show in 3 parts.
Part 1: Trapper and Henry
Part 2: BJ, Potter and Burns
Part 3: No Radar and Winchester.

Really 3 different shows, just with many of the same characters.

Trivia tidbit... the cast loved Larry Linville and hated Gary Burghoff. Exact opposite from the characters.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:32 pm to
When they didn't even cast Duke Forrest for the television cast.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:41 pm to
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the cast loved Larry Linville and hated Gary Burghoff
ex child star Jackie Cooper directed some s2 episodes

He had nothing but praise for Linville & Rogers

He did not care for Alda, who was already throwing his progressive weight around. Per JC, AA would not shoot the original ending of "The Sniper" (the sniper is killed), & insisted a new ending (sniper is wounded, surrenders, & Hawkeye patches him up) be written on the set.

Cooper HATED Stevenson ("the most uncooperative actor I ever worked with") & Swit.

I don't recall him giving an opinion on Burghoff.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:46 pm to
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When they didn't even cast Duke Forrest for the television cast
Cast was too big as it was. As Alda was established as Star he got the cast pared down even further, eliminating Spearchucker.

Trivia: Burt Reynolds turned down the role of Duke in the movie; James Garner turned down Hawkeye.

For the series, Robert Klein turned down Trapper. Klein would never become as big a star as he should have.
Posted by JumpingTheShark
America
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:47 pm to
When trap left I didn’t like it as much
Posted by Cleathecat
Houston
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:56 pm to
When Burns left. I couldn't stand BJ but when he and Potter first came on board it was Prime Burns.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56264 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 8:39 pm to
Never. It definitely dropped off but I still liked it until the end. Somewhere, I still have the VHS copy of the finale that I recorded when it aired.

Of course, I was a kid. Now, when I see those latter episodes in reruns, they're pretty annoying. Alan Alda is such a sanctimonious, narcissistic jerkoff.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 8:49 pm to
Colonel Flagg should’ve been in every episode!
Posted by lsusa
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 8:53 pm to
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Never


Nah, I think it actually did at some point midway in the last season. But, I still upvoted you.

It was quite remarkable to stay that good for that long, with the major cast changes.
Posted by Pauldingtiger
Alabama
Member since Jan 2019
841 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:14 pm to
When Trapper and Henry Blake left
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
141715 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:14 pm to
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Colonel Flagg should’ve been in every episode!
No, that would have been too much. But they definitely should have used him more, say 3-4 times a season.

I also wished they'd used Captain Pak (Pat Morita) more. He was only in two episodes.
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
7495 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:25 pm to
quote:

Nah, I think it actually did at some point midway in the last season. But, I still upvoted you.

It was quite remarkable to stay that good for that long, with the major cast changes.



MASH never had any thing as ridiculous as Fonzie Jumping a Shark Tank or Indy surviving a nuclear blast in a fridge as a movie example.

Long running shows have character turnovers and storylines evolve but MASH never "Jumped the Shark" as I accept the term. The show had a wonderful run and ran it's course.

One of the things I liked is how it evolved for being silly almost slap-stick comedy to Comedy-Drama with some excellent storylines. I think the show greatly improved when they ditched the laugh-track.
This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 6:52 am
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