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re: Wheel of Time - Season 1 - Amazon - NOW A BOOK READERS THREAD

Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:13 am to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:13 am to
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Apparently you could have done this the whole time and saved your brother.


I like how plan C was arming all the lesbians to defend the city.


Totally plausible. Totally practical.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:25 am to
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I like how plan C was arming all the lesbians to defend the city.



Which ones were the lesbians? Because two of them had already hooked up with dudes and the other three had no story line to even know what they like.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:38 am to
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Apparently you could have done this the whole time and saved your brother. I'm probably nit picking there but if you're going to do a high quality fantasy book don't half arse shite like these scenes.


Well, she also burned herself and the other two fledgling channelers and Nynaeve out in the process because they couldn't even come close to handling the amount of saidar that Nynaeve and Egwene could produce.

I definitely try not to nit pick battles in high fantasy... they are generally terrible, even in Game of Thrones toward the end.
Posted by LSU316
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:50 am to
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they couldn't even come close to handling the amount of saidar that Nynaeve and Egwene could produce.


I'm over thinking it or does that scene setup Egwene to be even more of a badass channeler than Nynaeve?

That's backward from the book right?
Posted by jmarto1
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:56 am to
We knew those women were red shirts
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:57 am to
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I'm over thinking it or does that scene setup Egwene to be even more of a badass channeler than Nynaeve?

That's backward from the book right?



Sort of... they already showed Nynaeve healing multiple people at once.

In the books though Nynaeve is definitely more powerful than Egwene.
Posted by Broken Coyote
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:58 am to
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That's backward from the book right?


That is correct. Only one other female Channeler was more powerful than Nynaeve in the novels
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:05 am to
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I definitely try not to nit pick battles in high fantasy... they are generally terrible, even in Game of Thrones toward the end.


I hated the ending with a passion, and will never watch the show again because of it, but I will stand behind the battle at Winterfell. I loved that episode.

I never got the gripe that it was too dark. It didnt feel that way to me and I didnt have any trouble seeing things. I loved the camera angles. It had a very gritty, realistic feel to it in many ways. Which is just what I wanted in a nasty battle. Especially the scenes with Jon on the ground.

I get the complaint about not liking who killed the Night King, but she was my favorite character in the books/show, so I didnt mind it.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:18 am to
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I hated the ending with a passion, and will never watch the show again because of it, but I will stand behind the battle at Winterfell. I loved that episode.


Yeah, but the actual strategy was god awful. I mean, they had their catapults OUTSIDE the defense line.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 11:33 am to
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I definitely try not to nit pick battles in high fantasy... they are generally terrible, even in Game of Thrones toward the end.


I hated the ending with a passion, and will never watch the show again because of it,
not to sidetrack this thread, but although I agree in principle, I occasionally cherry-pick single episodes.
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but I will stand behind the battle at Winterfell. I loved that episode.

I never got the gripe that it was too dark. It didnt feel that way to me and I didnt have any trouble seeing things. I loved the camera angles. It had a very gritty, realistic feel to it in many ways. Which is just what I wanted in a nasty battle. Especially the scenes with Jon on the ground.

I get the complaint about not liking who killed the Night King, but she was my favorite character in the books/show, so I didnt mind it.

My overall take on this is-

Jon didn't kill the Night King, and therefore the other complaints get magnified.

I did love that episode, and it should have been the climax of the show.

I don't think they put in any real strategy, they devised Jon having one. And then filmed it. And unfortunately for that, it showed... my son is a gamer. He plays Rome: Total War, and he agrees with the complaint on the battle strategy-
the forces are laid out backwards.

The catapults and ballista should be behind the infantry, so you could use them longer in the battle.
The Dothraki should have harrassed the flanks of the dead the entire battle, instead of being tossed into a frontal assault.

The visuals were fine for me, as was the epic nature. I wish Jon had got him, but I'm ok with "A Girl" getting the kill shot. It's what she trained to do.
Posted by jmarto1
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 12:46 pm to
We really need the books to finish so we can see what the intention really was. Hopefully they don't change it to match the show
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 1:06 pm to


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Jon didn't kill the Night King, and therefore the other complaints get magnified.



%100. Which I get for sure. They built that head to head battle up so much and they end up not even seeing each other, much less fighting. I wouldnt have mind seeing them fight, and then no one come in and hit him with the dagger.

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I did love that episode, and it should have been the climax of the show.


Yea that definitely could have been a better ending. Have Dany and Jon fly to Kings Landing and just burn up Cersei in the tower. There was literally no reason to burn up all of Kings Landing. Kill Cersei and its all over anyway.

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The catapults and ballista should be behind the infantry, so you could use them longer in the battle.
The Dothraki should have harrassed the flanks of the dead the entire battle, instead of being tossed into a frontal assault.


Never gave any thought about the catapults honestly, defnitely wasnt the best idea. The Dothraki charging being the biggest offense. Not sure why they wouldnt wait on the WW to make the first move. Especially riding out into the dark.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 1:24 pm to
It’s a joke

The arming the women to save the city was non sensical.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 4:37 pm to
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quote:

The catapults and ballista should be behind the infantry, so you could use them longer in the battle.
The Dothraki should have harrassed the flanks of the dead the entire battle, instead of being tossed into a frontal assault.



Never gave any thought about the catapults honestly, defnitely wasnt the best idea. The Dothraki charging being the biggest offense. Not sure why they wouldnt wait on the WW to make the first move. Especially riding out into the dark.
Catapults made little sense the way they used them. So much effort to build, then you get 1-2 shots at most before losing that position. Shoulda been inside the castle grounds and slinging dragonglass shrapnel+ burning stuff. Dragonfire would have been ideal (Jaime, looking at you).

Unsullied and other infantry holding the line past the ditch. Dothraki... they're mobile, and they're fricking archers. Could have wiped out a good portion of the dead, with dragonglass arrows, and never lost a man. Ultimately it's pointless, as the NK would just respawn once you're out of dragonglass.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 4:38 pm to
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It’s a joke

The arming the women to save the city was non sensical.

I guess the concept was, arm everyone. Once the men have fallen, better for the women to die swinging, instead of getting slaughtered.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 4:44 pm to
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better for the women to die swinging, instead of getting slaughtered.


Women don’t have the upper body strength for it. Or the frame. It’s genetic.

They’re also not aggressive enough, because of their very low testosterone levels.

They would offer no meaningful resistance.
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 4:46 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 4:49 pm to
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He plays Rome: Total War, and he agrees with the complaint on the battle strategy-
the forces are laid out backwards.


I don't even think you can say they were laid out backwards. You had the freaking Dothraki cavalry in the vanguard, when they should have been off to the left and to the right of Winterfell, looking for the flanks of the Army of the Dead and attacking them via hit and run.

Meanwhile, there should have been no infantry in front of the Cheval de frise. Why the hell they would have infantry positioned IN FRONT OF THEIR OWN OBSTACLES is quite beyond me and shows just how poor of a tactician Jon Snow was. Once the Night King's army started to overrun their positions they would have to dodge their own obstacles to get back to the city walls.

And speaking of the city walls, there was absolutely no point in having your army out in front of the walls. The point of a walled off city is for defense. Your entire army should have been behind them save for the cavalry and maybe a few handpicked men as a delaying action.

Also...it was suicide to fight at Winterfell in the first place. You're talking about a small, walled-in city that is surrounded on all sides by a vast expanse of open ground. There is no tactical way to defend against an attacking force of superior size. And strategically that city holds no value as it's isolated in a far off corner of the Seven Kingdoms.

A skilled commander would have evacuated and abandoned the North, falling back to the Vail where the terrain is narrower, less open, and the fortresses imposing and far easier to defend.
Posted by lynxcat
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 7:48 pm to
This isn’t a GOT thread…
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 7:55 pm to
Non book reader here. I found the series somewhat entertaining. I like the magic and the storyline could go any direction. The middle episodes to the season were pretty dull. A lot of random talking about stuff that did not keep my interest.

I expected Rand to have more trouble defeating the dark guy?
Posted by 225rumpshaker
Texas
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 8:19 pm to
Haven’t looked through the entire thread, but I will say that I was disappointed with the season.

I just really dislike what they did with Perrin, dude seems like a guy that can’t string two words together and just doesn’t come across the same as in the books.

Did not like what they did with Mat or Rand either. Especially what happened at the eye. My wife (non book reader for the series) asked me when it was over WTF was that crap.

I think if I had not read some of the books so far I would not have finished the season until way later just because I would have had no clue what the hell was going on.
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