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re: What is the most pretentious movie you've ever seen?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 10:22 am to Lsupimp
Posted on 2/7/20 at 10:22 am to Lsupimp
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Tree of Life is a masterpiece. Helps to be at least fifty years old and have that long view of life, fatherhood, your mistakes etc. What people call pretentious in all of Malick’s films seems to be his internal dialogue. And he just thinks differently than most of us. But the reason it is NOT pretentious is because it’s authentic, it’s not him “ attempting to impress “- which after all is the definition of the word pretentious. To be pretentious implies intent. I get that people think his movies may be a deep dive and they don’t like that, but Pretentiousness is not the correct word.
Ding ding ding.
Malick is actually 100% genuine with his films. Pretentiousness requires some level of manipulation. That something is more important than it is. Or that the film is a lesson, or even worse, a universal truth.
To be clear, artists can and do believe their films are "true," but pretentiousness brings in "right," or correct along with a subjective truth.
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Posted on 2/7/20 at 10:24 am to Fewer Kilometers
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The people bitching about Woody Allen being a one hit wonder or the emperor's new clothes haven't seen Zelig, or Radio Days, or Midnight in Paris, or Blue Jasmine. If Annie Hall and Hannah and Her Sisters are too New York pretentious for you, then fine, but that's not the only type of film that he makes.
I’m not a huge Allen fan, although I do like several of the ones you listed.
But Crimes and Misdemeanors is actually by far my favorite of his and one of my all time favorites. It’s just a great film.
Landau was exceptional and would have likely won Best Supporting Actor almost any other year if it wasn’t for Denzel in Glory (perhaps a make up award in another outstanding year in 94 although he was great in Ed Wood, but SLJ in Pulp Fiction, Sinese in Gump, or Scofield in Quiz Show all could have won it easily).
89 was actually a really good year for movies. Allen nominated for Director but it got snubbed for Best Picture. I would have put it in above My Left Foot, although DDL obviously earned the Best Actor (the whole category was stacked though).
Driving Miss Daisy
Born of the Fourth of July
Dead Poets Society
Field of Dreams
My Left Foot
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 10:35 am
Posted on 2/7/20 at 10:30 am to Jay Are
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Oh boy. Are you under the impression that academics are the people writing screen plays? Turn off your cable channel news, bro.
You missed the point.
Which was-If academics in our universities will distort truth or lie to further an agenda, don't expect Hollywood writers, producers, directors, and actors to act any differently.
Not that academics were writing screenplays.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 10:37 am to Fewer Kilometers
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What is the most pretentious movie you've ever seen?
I posted mine.
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Stick to movies you've seen, not genres that you avoid.
It was a response to a question-would black oppression films ever go away?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 10:55 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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Which was-If academics in our universities will distort truth or lie to further an agenda, don't expect Hollywood writers, producers, directors, and actors to act any differently.
I think my point still works: Turn off your cable channel news, bro.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 11:02 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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It was a response to a question-would black oppression films ever go away?
your definition of "black oppression films" is any movie about black people that isn't a Madea movie
Posted on 2/7/20 at 11:02 am to Jay Are
Knight of Cups
Posted on 2/7/20 at 11:19 am to kciDAtaE
quote:Civil rights were going to happen regardless, just because of basic human compassion. The boomers poisoned it by telling blacks (and others) to "tune in, turn on and drop out." What worse advice can you possibly give to people who are at the bottom of society? "Here, take these drugs and forget about education and achievement." How many young lives have been ruined by that philosophy.
The Civil Rights movement was a rather big deal.
In the decades that have followed, they've warped it into identity politics, just a mechanism for them to cultivate and retain monolithic voting blocs.
Considering that, I'd have to say that they in fact ruined the civil rights movement and twisted it into a perverse business model.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 11:31 am to Havoc
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Black oppression by whitey movies. So smug.
Will these ever go out of favor?
Yeah they'll go away.
Has there been a mainstream holocaust movie since Schindler's list?
I mean we're talking about the holocaust here and even that shite is becoming a cinematic afterthought.
Sooner or later, people just get tired of a bunch of frickin' whiney shite.
I think it's time we heard from the Cambodians. Oh wait, they don't globally whine about their past oppression and modern day holocaust.
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 11:32 am
Posted on 2/7/20 at 11:47 am to Pandy Fackler
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Has there been a mainstream holocaust movie since Schindler's list?
I mean we're talking about the holocaust here and even that shite is becoming a cinematic afterthought.
the pianist, Life is Beautiful, the Reader, Defiance, JoJo Rabbit, etc. God why won't they get over it already!
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:06 pm to REG861
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the pianist, Life is Beautiful, the Reader, Defiance, JoJo Rabbit, etc. God why won't they get over it already!
Did anybody actually watch that shite though?
I know I didn't. My holocaust obligation ended with Schindler's list.
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:21 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Did anybody actually watch that shite though?
You mean all those movies that both made money and were all nominated for Best Picture (exception: Defiance)? Yes, people watched them.
This post was edited on 2/7/20 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:22 pm to whatkindanameiskirby
The Thin Red Line
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Knight of Cups
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The Thin Red Line
The Malick haters are out in force today, which, honestly, I get.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:28 pm to REG861
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your definition of "black oppression films" is any movie about black people that isn't a Madea movie
Not so.
Several come to mind that handle the issues with delicacy and finesse. Driving Miss Daisy, The Help, The Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, and Glory.
The upcoming Harriet Tubman film being released at this time during an election year has potential for the producers and directors to play fast and loose with facts to propagandize to further inflame racial animosity initiated on Batak Obama's watch. I won't be able to decide one way or the other until I've seen the film.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:34 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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The Shawshank Redemption,
A movie with the main plot line being about a white guy wrongly sentenced to prison is a “black oppression film”?
Posted on 2/7/20 at 12:38 pm to blueboy
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Civil rights were going to happen regardless, just because of basic human compassion.
LOL. Because that always happens.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:05 pm to jg8623
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A movie with the main plot line being about a white guy wrongly sentenced to prison is a "black oppression film"?
It's not an uncommon theme. Walk a mile in another man's shoes. White guy. Black man's shoes. You see?
Shawshank and Green Mile are Stephen King bookends for many themes. The films both do a good job with them.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 1:31 pm to Freauxzen
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Crash sucked no matter your political leaning or location in time and space. There is no part of it that was enlightening and it was about as subtle as a nuclear warhead.
I did not realize at the time that I saw Crash that it had won best picture and I was very, very surprised to find out that it did. I liked it ok but def. not best picture material.
Posted on 2/7/20 at 2:21 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:The civil rights movement began long before the boomers were born, much less old enough to influence culture. It was in full swing by the time their precious souls reached puberty.
LOL. Because that always happens.
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