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Posted on 7/19/24 at 7:21 pm to Thundercles
quote:Do it! Bet you'll end up watching it every couple of years. With access to the Starz Western channel, I imagine I end up watching it at least once a year. They will show it at some point during the year..
I watched Lonesome Dove once when I was a kid and I have been totally meaning to revisit this. Might start here.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 9:55 pm to Kafka
I've always liked this movie.
It's remembered, if at all, b/c Dean Martin plays the (charming) villain. George Peppard's the hero - maybe, like 3:10 To Yuma (original version!!), the casting was originally reversed?
Amusing dialogue - even the trailer's funny
Blog entry on RNIJ

Posted on 11/9/26 at 10:11 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:
Tombstone
My vote too.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:41 am to Thundercles
Westerns? Probably my favorite genre. But my tastes do veer towards the more vintage offerings, when westerns were in their prime, and audiences still living who were old enough to remember the west. Favorites:
1. THE TOLL GATE (1920) William S. Hart
2. THE VANISHING AMERICAN (1923) Richard Dix
3. THE FORBIDDEN TRAIL (1923) Jack Hoxie
4. THE GREAT K & A TRAIN ROBBERY (1926) Tom Mix
5. THREE BAD MEN (1926) George O'Brien
6. WILD HORSE MESA (1926) Jack Holt
7. REDSKIN (1929) Richard Dix
8. HELL'S HEROES (1930) Charles Bickford
9. DESERT VENGEANCE (1931) Buck Jones
10. RIDER OF DEATH VALLEY (1932) Tom Mix
11. LAW AND ORDER (1932) Walter Huston
12. MYSTERY RANCH (1932) George O'Brien
13. TO THE LAST MAN (1933) Randolph Scott
14. SCARLET RIVER (1933) Tom Mix
15. WHEN A MAN'S A MAN (1935) George O'Brien
16. THE LAST OUTLAW (1936) Harry Carey
17. THE OLD BARN DANCE (1938) Gene Autry
18. HERITAGE OF THE DESERT (1939) Donald Woods
19. STAGECOACH (1939) John Wayne
20. RIDE 'EM COWBOY (1942) Abbott and Costello
21. SAN FERNANDO VALLEY (1944) Roy Rogers
22. TALL IN THE SADDLE (1944) John Wayne
23. CORONER CREEK (1948) Randolph Scott
24. LUST FOR GOLD (1949) Glenn Ford
25. RED CANYON (1949) Howard Duff
26. WAGONMASTER (1950) Ben Johnson
27. ROCKY MOUNTAIN (1950) Errol Flynn
28. SADDLE TRAMP (1950) Joel McCrea
29. BEND OF THE RIVER (1952) James Stewart
30. DAWN AT SOCORRO (1954) Rory Calhoun
It's not that I don't have a lot of later-era westerns that I like. But I just 'like' them. The earlier stuff I really LOVE. The old-time 1920s/early-30s westerns are such a wild mix. Many of them are just light and breezy, while others are startlingly harsh and brutal. Sometimes both, in the same movie. I find them endlessly fascinating as well as entertaining.
1. THE TOLL GATE (1920) William S. Hart
2. THE VANISHING AMERICAN (1923) Richard Dix
3. THE FORBIDDEN TRAIL (1923) Jack Hoxie
4. THE GREAT K & A TRAIN ROBBERY (1926) Tom Mix
5. THREE BAD MEN (1926) George O'Brien
6. WILD HORSE MESA (1926) Jack Holt
7. REDSKIN (1929) Richard Dix
8. HELL'S HEROES (1930) Charles Bickford
9. DESERT VENGEANCE (1931) Buck Jones
10. RIDER OF DEATH VALLEY (1932) Tom Mix
11. LAW AND ORDER (1932) Walter Huston
12. MYSTERY RANCH (1932) George O'Brien
13. TO THE LAST MAN (1933) Randolph Scott
14. SCARLET RIVER (1933) Tom Mix
15. WHEN A MAN'S A MAN (1935) George O'Brien
16. THE LAST OUTLAW (1936) Harry Carey
17. THE OLD BARN DANCE (1938) Gene Autry
18. HERITAGE OF THE DESERT (1939) Donald Woods
19. STAGECOACH (1939) John Wayne
20. RIDE 'EM COWBOY (1942) Abbott and Costello
21. SAN FERNANDO VALLEY (1944) Roy Rogers
22. TALL IN THE SADDLE (1944) John Wayne
23. CORONER CREEK (1948) Randolph Scott
24. LUST FOR GOLD (1949) Glenn Ford
25. RED CANYON (1949) Howard Duff
26. WAGONMASTER (1950) Ben Johnson
27. ROCKY MOUNTAIN (1950) Errol Flynn
28. SADDLE TRAMP (1950) Joel McCrea
29. BEND OF THE RIVER (1952) James Stewart
30. DAWN AT SOCORRO (1954) Rory Calhoun
It's not that I don't have a lot of later-era westerns that I like. But I just 'like' them. The earlier stuff I really LOVE. The old-time 1920s/early-30s westerns are such a wild mix. Many of them are just light and breezy, while others are startlingly harsh and brutal. Sometimes both, in the same movie. I find them endlessly fascinating as well as entertaining.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 10:16 am to Thundercles
True Grit
Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
The Ox-Bow Incident
Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid
Day Of The Outlaw
Jeremiah Johnson
Many Many others.
Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
The Ox-Bow Incident
Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid
Day Of The Outlaw
Jeremiah Johnson
Many Many others.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 11:09 am to Thundercles
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon
The Cowboys
The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly
The Outlaw Josie Wales
Unforgiven
Silverado
The Man from Snowy River (does and Aussie cowboy count?)
The Return to Snowy River
Shane
The War Wagon
3:10 to Yuma
I could go on.
The Cowboys
The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly
The Outlaw Josie Wales
Unforgiven
Silverado
The Man from Snowy River (does and Aussie cowboy count?)
The Return to Snowy River
Shane
The War Wagon
3:10 to Yuma
I could go on.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 1:57 pm to Thundercles
Good, Bad the Ugly
High Plains Drifter
Tombstone
High Plains Drifter
Tombstone
This post was edited on 11/10/26 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 11/10/26 at 3:40 pm to Thundercles
Yellow Sky -1948
Tall in the Saddle- 1944
Backlash -1956
Hopalong Cassidy Enters -1935
Tall in the Saddle- 1944
Backlash -1956
Hopalong Cassidy Enters -1935
Posted on 11/10/26 at 5:27 pm to OWLFAN86
Did I seriously only see one person mention The Gunfighter?
It ain’t my favorite western (The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is top and it ain’t even close) but it’s pretty foundational for the shift of cynicism westerns moved towards
It ain’t my favorite western (The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly is top and it ain’t even close) but it’s pretty foundational for the shift of cynicism westerns moved towards
Posted on 11/10/26 at 5:44 pm to Aeolian Vocalion
Every time I think I'm an expert, you mosey in and prove me an ignoramus...
I've seen hardly any of the movies on your list
And Andy Devine
It does have one classic moment though: Wayne walks down the street toward the oncoming gunfight, then stops the other guy cold: "Touch that gun and I'll kill ya"
RC did do one of my fave Bonanzas: charrning stranger shows up and saves Adam's life. They become friends, but... Could he possibly be a murderer? The climactic shot is a classic.
Recently picked up 2 books: Western Films - a complete guide by Brian Garfield (author of Death Wish and western novels) and The Filming Of The West by Jon Tuska. I've wanted to read the Tuska for ages. In the '80s I read Phil Hardy's Western Encyclopedia and it was my bible on the subject for years.
Ever read any of these?
I've seen hardly any of the movies on your list
quote:Is this a 3 Godfathers remake?
5. THREE BAD MEN (1926) George O'Brien
quote:This is one. I like Bickford but haven't seen it
8. HELL'S HEROES (1930) Charles Bickford
quote:I saw part of a Jones recently - notable for a fistfight between BJ and a very young Ward Bond. All roundhouse semi-punches that make no impact. I guess the technique of "ghost punching" or whatever it's called (so badly done in The Godfather) hadn't yet been invented (by Canutt?)
9. DESERT VENGEANCE (1931) Buck Jones
quote:Have you seen his Destry Rides Again?
10. RIDER OF DEATH VALLEY (1932) Tom Mix
quote:Yes! A masterpiece. Brilliantly edited shootout climax in the OK Barn
11. LAW AND ORDER (1932) Walter Huston
And Andy Devine
quote:Always wanted to see this
16. THE LAST OUTLAW (1936) Harry Carey
quote:Hard to imagine a classic Donald Woods vehicle
18. HERITAGE OF THE DESERT (1939) Donald Woods
quote:Don't care for this. A lot of endless Q&A
22. TALL IN THE SADDLE (1944) John Wayne
It does have one classic moment though: Wayne walks down the street toward the oncoming gunfight, then stops the other guy cold: "Touch that gun and I'll kill ya"
quote:Didn't like this either. Too much chat
24. LUST FOR GOLD (1949) Glenn Ford
quote:Need to rewatch this. Been watching a bunch of Wagon Train eps (it's on Xumo), and want to see the starting point
26. WAGONMASTER (1950) Ben Johnson
quote:I like Flynn westerns but this is fairly meh. Remade for the Cheyenne TV series - guest star James Garner claimed he wore the same costume as the actor playing his role in the film
27. ROCKY MOUNTAIN (1950) Errol Flynn
quote:Never seen this for some reason
28. SADDLE TRAMP (1950) Joel McCrea
quote:I may have seen this - I'd need to hear the plot to be sure. 10 or so yrs ago I watched some of RC's '50s westerns. Always thought he should have been a bigger star. Had a decent light touch in addition to handling action capably, He quit The Texan b/c he wanted a lighter workload -- this proved to be a career mistake.
30. DAWN AT SOCORRO (1954) Rory Calhoun
RC did do one of my fave Bonanzas: charrning stranger shows up and saves Adam's life. They become friends, but... Could he possibly be a murderer? The climactic shot is a classic.
Recently picked up 2 books: Western Films - a complete guide by Brian Garfield (author of Death Wish and western novels) and The Filming Of The West by Jon Tuska. I've wanted to read the Tuska for ages. In the '80s I read Phil Hardy's Western Encyclopedia and it was my bible on the subject for years.
Ever read any of these?
Posted on 11/10/26 at 6:17 pm to Kafka
Extremely underrated from the golden age of westerns:
1) The Undefeated (1969)
2) Nevada Smith (1966)
All my other favorites have already been mentioned. Love Josey Wales and Two Mules for Sister Sara, and Sons of Katie Elder
1) The Undefeated (1969)
2) Nevada Smith (1966)
All my other favorites have already been mentioned. Love Josey Wales and Two Mules for Sister Sara, and Sons of Katie Elder
Posted on 11/10/26 at 7:17 pm to Thundercles
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Fort Apache
Unforgiven
Jeremiah Johnson
Fort Apache
Unforgiven
Jeremiah Johnson
Posted on 11/10/26 at 7:19 pm to Gerry Laval
Tons of good ones already listed but I add:
Ride Lonesome with Randolph Scott
No Name on the Bullet and Ride Clear of Diablo, both Audie Murphy
Winchester 73 with Jimmy Stewart
Rawhide with Susan Hayward and Tyrone Power
Ride Lonesome with Randolph Scott
No Name on the Bullet and Ride Clear of Diablo, both Audie Murphy
Winchester 73 with Jimmy Stewart
Rawhide with Susan Hayward and Tyrone Power
Posted on 11/10/26 at 8:10 pm to JackDempsey
quote:I also like the one he did called The Guns of Fort Petticoat (srsly)
No Name on the Bullet and Ride Clear of Diablo, both Audie Murphy
Posted on 11/10/26 at 8:24 pm to Kafka
"Three Bad Men" (1926-Fox) isn't really related to the 3 Godfathers tale, but it has some stark, memorable imagery. I liked seeing Priscilla Bonner in it, who I met one time. "Hell's Heroes" (1930-Univ) is indeed the 3 Godfathers tale, but unlike the other versions, this one is hard as nails and completely unsentimental. I regard it as an essential. Ditto "Rider of Death Valley" (1932), with Tom Mix. Read the Greenbriar Picture Show blog post on it. I have a copy of Mix's "Destry Rides Again" (1932), but like all copies I've seen it runs only about 50 minutes, and seems way too abbreviated. I always assumed this was a 'cut' print made available for tv-syndication in the early-1950s, and there was some scuttlebutt about it having originally more like a 70-minute running time. Don't know how true this is, but I'm hoping some longer version still exists somewhere in the Universal vaults.
Buck Jones' b-westerns are often some of the best, if one doesn't mind early-talkie creakiness. "Desert Vengeance" (1931) ends with a really apocalyptic finale, with dead bodies strewn along the street of a ghost town run by outlows. In "Unknown Valley" (1933), Jones goes out into the desert to look for his lost father, and runs into a weird religious cult, which takes him captive for slave labor. Jones' westerns tended to alternate between tough tales one time, then lightweight, jokey ones the next time. They were a bit more 'adult' than the usual matinee westerns. Same with George O'Brien, especially his Fox features, like that "Mystery Ranch" (1932). That one involves a ranch baron whose desire is to kill any and every single living thing that steps onto his land, animal or human. Even the comic sidekick gets killed in this one. The finale is a lulu.
"To the Last Man" (1933-Par), a Zane Grey tale, with Randolph Scott, lives up to its title. Starts very slow, but turns into a really brutal affair, with a rather startling climax that has the vilian (the always sleazoid Jack LaRue) in a physical brawl with the leading lady, while hero Scott is incapacitated! Randolph Scott was also in an earlier version of "Heritage of the Desert" (1932), which I like almost just as much as the 1939 one, especially due to Sally Blane's sexy child-of-nature performance.
Some of the films I list are also just because of fun, nostalgic memories of late-show viewings, as opposed to me making some kind of 'greatest' list. "Lust for Gold," "Saddle Tramp," and many others figure in this. I found myself needing to list one Gene Autry and one Roy Rogers western, but it's actually hard to really single out one standout, as each had over a dozen rather even-keeled winners that could equally fit the top spot. The best Hopalong, however, might very well be "Hopalong Cassidy Returns" (1936), due to Evelyn Brent's bad-girl villain, and Morris Ankrum playing a practically psycho gunman in her employ.
Buck Jones' b-westerns are often some of the best, if one doesn't mind early-talkie creakiness. "Desert Vengeance" (1931) ends with a really apocalyptic finale, with dead bodies strewn along the street of a ghost town run by outlows. In "Unknown Valley" (1933), Jones goes out into the desert to look for his lost father, and runs into a weird religious cult, which takes him captive for slave labor. Jones' westerns tended to alternate between tough tales one time, then lightweight, jokey ones the next time. They were a bit more 'adult' than the usual matinee westerns. Same with George O'Brien, especially his Fox features, like that "Mystery Ranch" (1932). That one involves a ranch baron whose desire is to kill any and every single living thing that steps onto his land, animal or human. Even the comic sidekick gets killed in this one. The finale is a lulu.
"To the Last Man" (1933-Par), a Zane Grey tale, with Randolph Scott, lives up to its title. Starts very slow, but turns into a really brutal affair, with a rather startling climax that has the vilian (the always sleazoid Jack LaRue) in a physical brawl with the leading lady, while hero Scott is incapacitated! Randolph Scott was also in an earlier version of "Heritage of the Desert" (1932), which I like almost just as much as the 1939 one, especially due to Sally Blane's sexy child-of-nature performance.
Some of the films I list are also just because of fun, nostalgic memories of late-show viewings, as opposed to me making some kind of 'greatest' list. "Lust for Gold," "Saddle Tramp," and many others figure in this. I found myself needing to list one Gene Autry and one Roy Rogers western, but it's actually hard to really single out one standout, as each had over a dozen rather even-keeled winners that could equally fit the top spot. The best Hopalong, however, might very well be "Hopalong Cassidy Returns" (1936), due to Evelyn Brent's bad-girl villain, and Morris Ankrum playing a practically psycho gunman in her employ.
Posted on 11/10/26 at 9:19 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:
Although I’ve seen some people say it’s not a western. Which makes no sense to me
“Film” people trying to sniff their own farts. It’s a great western.

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