- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Westworld SE1 EP6: The Adversary
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:59 pm to McCaigBro69
Posted on 11/8/16 at 12:59 pm to McCaigBro69
I love the subreddit. They are even more divisive than here when it comes to the multiple timeline theories. Big thing to note when we are talking about multiple timelines is that when Bernard went down to the bottom floor on the old computer, it popped up with the "old" Westworld logo that is seen in William's scenes.
1
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:04 pm to txbd
The logos are by far the best evidence that they are showing things from at least two points in time.
Still...not necessarily a confirmation of anything, but it is compelling evidence. Everything else is pure speculation at this point besides there being two logos used with one appearing to be older.
Still...not necessarily a confirmation of anything, but it is compelling evidence. Everything else is pure speculation at this point besides there being two logos used with one appearing to be older.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:04 pm to McCaigBro69
quote:
Do you not remember when Maeve went in for recall and Stubbs says, "Have Clementine take over, she's done it before."?
Hell no I don't remember that
Not saying that didn't happen, but there's no way I would member. Clearly no one knows at this point as we have yet to see any definitive links between William/Logan and Maeve's current events and the MiB. All we can do to this point is hypothesize. The lack of aging by the hosts makes things incredibly difficult and has given credence to the multiple timelines theory.
I believe we only know for sure that Maeve's story line is at the same time as the MiB's line through links between the butchers, Elsie, Bernard, and Dr. Ford as well as Stubbs when he approves the explosives.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 1:42 pm to SoFresh
my personal theory is that Bernard is Arnold's host
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:02 pm to SoFresh
I was originally on the multiple timeline train, but now I'm leaning towards singular.
I thought the lack of aging from the hosts was evidence to multi-timelines, but wouldn't the 4 hosts that Arnold built for Dr. Ford show that the old hosts are similar enough? Or, could it just be argued that Ford maintained, and updated them through the years to look like the current hosts?
It would be interesting if someone paused and zoomed in on the list of the original hosts when it was being scanned through (I believe Elsie was doing this, but can't remember), to compare that list to which hosts are in the William/Logan arc.
quote:
All we can do to this point is hypothesize. The lack of aging by the hosts makes things incredibly difficult and has given credence to the multiple timelines theory.
I thought the lack of aging from the hosts was evidence to multi-timelines, but wouldn't the 4 hosts that Arnold built for Dr. Ford show that the old hosts are similar enough? Or, could it just be argued that Ford maintained, and updated them through the years to look like the current hosts?
It would be interesting if someone paused and zoomed in on the list of the original hosts when it was being scanned through (I believe Elsie was doing this, but can't remember), to compare that list to which hosts are in the William/Logan arc.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:10 pm to mm2316
Lawrence hasn't aged?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:19 pm to jamsmiley
quote:
my personal theory is that Bernard is Arnold's host
Same here. That is what I meant from my previous post
And that some of the scenes you are led to believe is Bernard are actually flashbacks to Arnold before whatever happened to him happened.
Example: Talks with Dolores, talks with wife about son.
Something went down in the lower floors and it involves Arnold no doubt.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:31 pm to mm2316
quote:
I thought the lack of aging from the hosts was evidence to multi-timelines, but wouldn't the 4 hosts that Arnold built for Dr. Ford show that the old hosts are similar enough? Or, could it just be argued that Ford maintained, and updated them through the years to look like the current hosts?
It would be interesting if someone paused and zoomed in on the list of the original hosts when it was being scanned through (I believe Elsie was doing this, but can't remember), to compare that list to which hosts are in the William/Logan arc.
Do we know how long Westworld has been open? How old is Ford? How old was Ford and Arnold when they built the first host?
I am not sure if any of these have been answered. We know Arnold supposedly died 30 or so years ago right? But that does not mean he had not been running and updating host for awhile before his death. Hopkins is around 80.
So possibly Arnold's later models looked like the new host except for the inside. Or maybe it was Ford who upgraded the 4 host in the house. Clearly they were not like the very old host in the lower area that Ford likes to talk to.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:52 pm to mm2316
If you look closely, you can see some of the old hosts wearing zubaz and sporting high top fades. Pretty much dates them.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:12 pm to Mystery
quote:
We know Arnold supposedly died 30 or so years ago right?
34 years and some change.
quote:
So possibly Arnold's later models looked like the new host except for the inside. Or maybe it was Ford who upgraded the 4 host in the house. Clearly they were not like the very old host in the lower area that Ford likes to talk to.
Yeah, maybe whatever they did/discovered to make that leap from Old Bill to Dolores may come into play later. Although, they showed us some "setting up the park" scenes and the hosts were dancing and acting quite normally. It might be that Old Bill was a prototype that never made it into the park.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:07 pm to guedeaux
quote:
Yeah, maybe whatever they did/discovered to make that leap from Old Bill to Dolores may come into play later. Although, they showed us some "setting up the park" scenes and the hosts were dancing and acting quite normally. It might be that Old Bill was a prototype that never made it into the park.
Delores is older than Old Bill, though. They may not be prototypes, but they're the oldest operational models (SN #0001 and SN #0002, in other words). Delores has just been through so much, she's been rebuilt so many times "she's practically new."
Posted on 11/8/16 at 5:09 pm to Mystery
quote:
Something went down in the lower floors and it involves Arnold no doubt.
And maybe a body full of nitroglycerin.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 7:22 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
Delores is older than Old Bill, though. They may not be prototypes, but they're the oldest operational models (SN #0001 and SN #0002, in other words). Delores has just been through so much, she's been rebuilt so many times "she's practically new."
Where did you get this from? Stubbs said that Dolores is "the oldest host in the park" not oldest host ever.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:17 pm to Socrates Johnson
quote:
And maybe a body full of nitroglycerin.
Unlikely that the nitro is real - recall how Thor's brother had to approve the pyrotechnic effects for MiB at the prison break.
But, maybe, right?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:19 pm to guedeaux
quote:
Where did you get this from? Stubbs said that Dolores is "the oldest host in the park" not oldest host ever.
I interpreted it pretty literally and contextually, so I could very well be wrong. The title of the episode was called "The Original" - they found Sir Anthony talking with Old Bill, described as the second host they'd built. They later described Delores as "the oldest host" (I take your word that they said "in the park") - I put 2 and 2 together.
I could certainly be wrong.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 8:31 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
I could certainly be wrong.
As can we all haha. I thought maybe you saw something I missed.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:31 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:That episode was pretty darn important, lots of really big things happened.
I don't know how people could watch this episode and view it as merely filler. Some big shite happens with Maeve, and revelations of what appears to be multiple adversaries. Plus, Ford finds out that the bots can lie to him and that they're hearing voices.
Yea, no clue how one could say it was filler.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:38 am to guedeaux
quote:I get the blackmale portion for Maeve.
These guys are just supposed to fix their bodies. They arent even supposed to have the behavior computer. Also, they found out that someone was messing with her programming at a much higher level. Also, she knows that the other guy is running a host brothel for the workers
But first, I don't see how these guys would have access to that, which I don't mind overlooking. But, second, the powers that be could easily see that they made these changes, so they're screwed either way, so I'm not sure about that scene.
That being said, I don't dwell on it, just roll with it.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 9:57 am to Brightside Bengal
quote:A little skinny, weird hands. But otherwise, she looks fantastic.
In other news, Thandie Newton has some serious Nat Geo style tits & nips.
She's one of those for me who I've always thought was hotter than I'd guess most dudes do, ever since that Mission Impossible movie.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 12:11 pm to shel311
When Bernard is walking through the basement, there is a blurred 'out of service' host in the background. When I paused it, I thought it looked similar to Yul Brynner's character in the original movie...
The figure had this same stance.
Sorry, I don't have a screenshot, but it was about 10 minutes into the episode before he gets to the console. If anyone has time, look at it and let me know what you think.
The figure had this same stance.
Sorry, I don't have a screenshot, but it was about 10 minutes into the episode before he gets to the console. If anyone has time, look at it and let me know what you think.
Page 7 of 8
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News