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Watched Gallipoli (1981) for the first time in years; no recent war movie comes close
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:30 am
Posted on 10/17/19 at 7:30 am
The entire ending sequence just sticks with you in a way that no recently made 21st century war movie has done. A movie like Dunkirk has a lot of pew pews but not nearly the same emotional impact as Gallipoli.
Peter Weir is a fantastic director.
Peter Weir is a fantastic director.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:09 am to GetCocky11
Most WWI films tend to nail it. And this is somewhat counter-intuitive because, while the war in Europe was dynamic for a few months in 1914, it quickly settled down to a relatively undramatic trench warfare environment with little change and few decisive battles for years.
Sergeant York, All Quiet on the Western Front, Paths of Glory, Lawrence of Arabia, and Gallipoli are some of the very few (compared to WWII movies, for example) and they are all excellent. Even the more recent A&E production, The Lost Battalion (starring Rick Schroeder) is pretty good.
Sergeant York, All Quiet on the Western Front, Paths of Glory, Lawrence of Arabia, and Gallipoli are some of the very few (compared to WWII movies, for example) and they are all excellent. Even the more recent A&E production, The Lost Battalion (starring Rick Schroeder) is pretty good.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:20 am to GetCocky11
Another good WWI movie about the Aussies and trench warfare is Beneath Hill 60. It's worth a watch.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:48 am to Ace Midnight
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Most WWI films tend to nail it. And this is somewhat counter-intuitive because, while the war in Europe was dynamic for a few months in 1914, it quickly settled down to a relatively undramatic trench warfare environment with little change and few decisive battles for years.
I think that is why these movies tend to nail it. When you are making a movie about the futility and horror of war nothing quite strikes that home like showing a barren hellish landscape where one side spent 6 months and a hundred thousand lives to advance as far as a stroll to the neighborhood convenience store.
It was also the last hurrah of the Old World that had held sway since the Colonial period and the first big war since 1812. As someone said, "The lamps are going out all over Europe, we shall not see them lit again in our life-time."
World War II, on other hand, was a more wide open war. Things happened, armies advanced. The real horror of the war is usually only captured by the concentration camps.
It is why there really aren't any great World War I movies about the Eastern front, which was, for the most part, a mobile war because the sheer distance involved prevented one side from digging in.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:58 am to Arksulli
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It is why there really aren't any great World War I movies about the Eastern front
I don't think there has been any sort of real effort - obviously, the Soviets weren't keen on showing the disaster of Tannenberg. Hollywood didn't care about that, but I think a great movie could be made about it. The big news on the Eastern Front was all the Tsarist politics, Rasputin, and the revolutions/civil war.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:14 am to Ace Midnight
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but I think a great movie could be made about it.
Oh I agree whole heartedly. The Eastern Front is a fascinating period of warfare during World War I. You could also make a great movie about the German campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa or Von Spee's desperate attempt to sail from East Asia back to Germany (also, how odd is it that the vessel named after Spee also met its end in the South Atlantic far from home?).
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:22 am to Arksulli
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You could also make a great movie about the German campaign in Sub-Saharan Africa or Von Spee's desperate attempt to sail from East Asia back to Germany
The problem is - folks are going to balk at Germans being the protagonist - Das Boot sort of pulls it off, but few others even attempt it - particularly Hollywood films.
Another one (almost would have to be a British film) would be Jutland.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:47 am to GetCocky11
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A movie like Dunkirk has a lot of pew pews
Dunkirk is a weird movie to make for this comparison I think, considering it's pretty low on the pew pew pew scale for war movies
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:29 am to GetCocky11
Both Gallipoli and Lawrence of Arabia give glimpses of the war that we don't think about from a front that was almost forgotten from our perspective. There's another movie about this theater of the war that is on Amazon Prime with Oscar Issac in the lead that focuses on the Armenian Genocide
Gallipoli is really Mel Gibson's first leading role, much like Lawrence was for O'Toole
Gallipoli is really Mel Gibson's first leading role, much like Lawrence was for O'Toole
Posted on 10/17/19 at 10:53 am to KiwiHead
"How fast are you?"
I saw this movie in High School and it has hung with me ever since. Great movie
I saw this movie in High School and it has hung with me ever since. Great movie
Posted on 10/17/19 at 11:49 am to GetCocky11
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sticks with you in a way that no recently made 21st century war movie has done
While I agree about it's impact, I have to disagree with the "no recently made" part. You have include the beach landing in the opening of Saving Private Ryan.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 12:25 pm to Tiger inTampa
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Saving Private Ryan
I would include it but that was made in the 20th century.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 12:45 pm to GetCocky11
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it but that was made in the 20th century.
Apologies. I still fumble with the centuries.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 1:28 pm to GetCocky11
Watched it myself not long ago for the first time in probably 30 years.
Aside from the revelation that it was every bit as good as I remembered it, there were a couple of characters I hadn't thought about since that first viewing - Uncle Jack and Major Barton.
Without going into the spoilers route for those who haven't seen the movie (you should), these were two relatively minor characters who nevertheless exemplified the ideals of loyalty, morality, understanding, strength of character, willingness to sacrifice, and overall general masculinity in the true sense. And they demonstrated these characteristics in a relatively small amount of screen time, without ever resorting to cheap theatrical gimmicks or cliches.
It seems to me that these kind of positive male portrayals are few and far between in modern mass media, especially in supporting roles.
Aside from the revelation that it was every bit as good as I remembered it, there were a couple of characters I hadn't thought about since that first viewing - Uncle Jack and Major Barton.
Without going into the spoilers route for those who haven't seen the movie (you should), these were two relatively minor characters who nevertheless exemplified the ideals of loyalty, morality, understanding, strength of character, willingness to sacrifice, and overall general masculinity in the true sense. And they demonstrated these characteristics in a relatively small amount of screen time, without ever resorting to cheap theatrical gimmicks or cliches.
It seems to me that these kind of positive male portrayals are few and far between in modern mass media, especially in supporting roles.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 3:05 pm to FearlessFreep
quote:My favorite character, such a father figure to the rest of them. And he was the perfect commander all the way to the end.
Major Barton.
I used to watch it on pirated cable in the early 80's. I never knew until years after while reading the credits that Rupert Murdoch was an executive producer.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 10/17/19 at 4:20 pm to blueboy
I would love someone to make a movie about the Marines at Belleau Wood (basically where the Marine Corps became the modern Marine Corps). I was just in France and walked the battlefield. It is incredible how any of those kids made it, much less pressed on. Think of Pickett's Charge into the face of automatic weapons and modern artillery.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 4:24 pm to blueboy
quote:I loved the fact that this soft-looking, pudgy middle-aged guy was a man's man throughout. Which is probably much more true-to-life than the more stereotypical portrayal.
My favorite character, such a father figure to the rest of them. And he was the perfect commander all the way to the end.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 5:27 pm to Ace Midnight
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Another one (almost would have to be a British film) would be Jutland.
While long Massie's "Dreadnought" and "Castles of Steel" are fascinating reads about the naval build up to the First World War and then the actual naval battles of the First World War.
They are chock full of little tidbits like the Kaiser building the High Seas Fleet because he was jealous of his British relatives and Winston Churchill being a thunderously poor First Lord of the Admiralty.
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