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re: Wachowski Brother/Sister Lilly Wachowski States How The Matrix Was Always A Trans Allegory
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:27 am to Philzilla2k
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:27 am to Philzilla2k
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Did you blow him?
Haha, no.
Michael was a cool dude, he just um....liked boys and dressed like a woman on on the weekends.
Believe it or not, long, long ago, gay people weren't as obnoxious as they are now.....
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:27 am to BRUNNIN4
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Yikes
Yep, I know, right?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:34 am to Bench McElroy
This is a phenomenon I'm noticing a lot more of lately; gay/trans/other members of the Alphabet Community taking an established work and trying to make it their own. Maybe they've always been doing that and I've only just started paying attention. I dunno.
As an example, I'm a huge Dune fan. All the Dune groups and message boards, for the most part, have been taken over by these types of people. Trying to turn Dune into some sort of gay fairytale. Which is amazing to me, considering that the only gay character in Dune is a sadistic child rapist. The purple haired loons all get pissed at me when I point this out.
I suppose that is the point of art; to view it and internally mold it to fit your own personal situation. But to say, after all these years, that Matrix is really a trans allegory - when it clearly isn't - requires Olympic levels of mental gymnastics.
As an example, I'm a huge Dune fan. All the Dune groups and message boards, for the most part, have been taken over by these types of people. Trying to turn Dune into some sort of gay fairytale. Which is amazing to me, considering that the only gay character in Dune is a sadistic child rapist. The purple haired loons all get pissed at me when I point this out.
I suppose that is the point of art; to view it and internally mold it to fit your own personal situation. But to say, after all these years, that Matrix is really a trans allegory - when it clearly isn't - requires Olympic levels of mental gymnastics.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 9:38 am
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:39 am to Bench McElroy
40% of trans people attempt suicide. One of those two is due.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:45 am to Bench McElroy
I don’t wanna sound like an a-hole...
But these brothers/sisters/whatever have lost their damn minds. They’re definitely bullshitting for that sweet sweet trans cred the LGBQ crowd doesn’t care one bit for the T crowd.
And bias or not, the trans crowd is mentally unstable. Gay and lesbian? Perfectly fine. This crowd and the “ima fairy unicorn” crowd... nah.
The movies aren’t even close to being about the shite they’re spouting.
But these brothers/sisters/whatever have lost their damn minds. They’re definitely bullshitting for that sweet sweet trans cred the LGBQ crowd doesn’t care one bit for the T crowd.
And bias or not, the trans crowd is mentally unstable. Gay and lesbian? Perfectly fine. This crowd and the “ima fairy unicorn” crowd... nah.
The movies aren’t even close to being about the shite they’re spouting.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 9:48 am
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:47 am to boxcarbarney
Wasn't Dune an allegorical tale of Christ? I've never read the book or seen the original film but that's what I've heard.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:06 am to RollTide1987
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Wasn't Dune an allegorical tale of Christ? I've never read the book or seen the original film but that's what I've heard.
It can be seen as that. But the Messiah figure fails miserably. The whole series of books are warnings: beware the charismatic leader. Be careful of your heroes and messiahs; be aware of what they really want from you. Don't fall into patterns that lead to stagnation and eventually extinction. Don't allow technology to replace your humanity.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:21 am to Carson123987
Yeah, this is pretty funny. "The Matrix" is clearly derivative of a whole list of Cyberpunk themed works.
Limited list of "major" cyberpunk things which came before 1999:
Akira (manga 1982; film 1988)
Cyberpunk 2020 (table top RPG; first edition 1988)
Ghost in the Shell (manga 1989; film 1995)
Shadowrun (table top RPG; first edition 1989)
Battle Angel Alita (manga 1990)
Both Cyberpunk and Shadowrun have "netrunning" involved in the game via jacking in, with Shadworun calling their network "the Matrix."
The only "clever" allegory I ever got from the Matrix series was the perceived higher number of minority peoples being awake in the real world/Zion. The clever bit would be to think that these types of folks were still poor and/or having a rough life in the Matrix, and would be more prone to wanting to wake up for some reason. Been a long time since I read that article concerning this thought.
I could definitely see that being some clever thing about how the world works, but I don't see this being a trans allegory, despite the increasing saturation of BDSM type clothing as the series went on.
Limited list of "major" cyberpunk things which came before 1999:
Akira (manga 1982; film 1988)
Cyberpunk 2020 (table top RPG; first edition 1988)
Ghost in the Shell (manga 1989; film 1995)
Shadowrun (table top RPG; first edition 1989)
Battle Angel Alita (manga 1990)
Both Cyberpunk and Shadowrun have "netrunning" involved in the game via jacking in, with Shadworun calling their network "the Matrix."
The only "clever" allegory I ever got from the Matrix series was the perceived higher number of minority peoples being awake in the real world/Zion. The clever bit would be to think that these types of folks were still poor and/or having a rough life in the Matrix, and would be more prone to wanting to wake up for some reason. Been a long time since I read that article concerning this thought.
I could definitely see that being some clever thing about how the world works, but I don't see this being a trans allegory, despite the increasing saturation of BDSM type clothing as the series went on.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 10:23 am
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:40 am to Bench McElroy
Oh come on!
I swear, they stumbled onto a great premise and made a great movie, made one meh and one terrible sequel, and then keep reinventing the causes of the film.
I will say it is distinctly possible the film "saved his life" in that it made him more than enough money. I have no idea what their situation was before the films got big. I doubt it had anything to do with any messages the movie subtly conveyed though.
I swear, they stumbled onto a great premise and made a great movie, made one meh and one terrible sequel, and then keep reinventing the causes of the film.
I will say it is distinctly possible the film "saved his life" in that it made him more than enough money. I have no idea what their situation was before the films got big. I doubt it had anything to do with any messages the movie subtly conveyed though.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:42 am to oogabooga68
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Believe it or not, long, long ago, gay people weren't as obnoxious as they are now.....
Makes you wonder who got more obnoxious first. The gay people, or the people complaining about them.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:52 am to Bench McElroy
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In a new, socially distanced video
Gotta be sure to signal all them virtues.
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despite the studio removing some of the more queer elements such as making the character of Switch a man in the real world.
That might have been interesting, but probably smart to drop it. Would have led to confusion/complications.
Androgynous female in Matrix...some sort of man in the real world...does that mean Switch was always that androgynous female in the Matrix while being a plugged-in man in the pod? Or did the awakened man-Switch realize they could then project themselves as a woman in the Matrix?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:06 am to boxcarbarney
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This is a phenomenon I'm noticing a lot more of lately; gay/trans/other members of the Alphabet Community taking an established work and trying to make it their own.
There's something just a little bit different about this example...
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:45 am to Bench McElroy
Proggie SJW rewrites history to fit a new narrative??
No way, that never happens
No way, that never happens
Posted on 8/5/20 at 11:46 am to Bench McElroy
To this point, the bigger stretch was that they had fully fleshed out plots for Reloaded and Revolutions when the first movie came out in 1999.
They've clearly topped that level of incredulity with this new batch of alphabet people horse shite.
Both of them are profoundly mentally ill.
They've clearly topped that level of incredulity with this new batch of alphabet people horse shite.
Both of them are profoundly mentally ill.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:02 pm to Athos
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And bias or not, the trans crowd is mentally unstable.
Now you tell me?! Gah!
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:12 pm to Bench McElroy
I can totally see it. The trilogy began as a great concept and transitioned into a turd by the third installment.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:40 pm to skrayper
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Makes you wonder who got more obnoxious first. The gay people, or the people complaining about them.
No, no it doesn't.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:09 pm to Bench McElroy
Just for the sake of the argument, don't they, as the creators, get to say what they intended? Don't they get to determine the message of their own work?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:46 pm to Matisyeezy
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Just for the sake of the argument, don't they, as the creators, get to say what they intended? Don't they get to determine the message of their own work?
The idea that they intended it as some trans thing didn't come up when it came out or for the next 20+ years afterward. There's also the fact that it was not their original work. They stole the Matrix idea from multiple sources, whether it was Ghost in The Shell, other manga type stories, or Sophia Stewart's The Third Eye, very little of The Matrix originates from them.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 8/6/20 at 4:31 am to Bench McElroy
I'm pretty sure everyone knows their movie was heavily inspired by GITS and Akira. They even said it themselves. Also their upcoming matrix movie is going to be a steaming pile like the sequels.
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