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re: True Detective S2E4: "Down Will Come"

Posted on 7/13/15 at 1:59 am to
Posted by jg8623
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 7/13/15 at 1:59 am to
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Then sleazy mayor setup suspensed Mcadams who somehow still was allowed to raid in her cute little outfit


Do you people listen?

Her boss told her she can't come back in the office but she can stay on investigating the murder because it's a state investigation

And for those asking why they were going to raid the Mexicans, one of the dudes was pawning off some of Caspers jewelry and shite

I mean, I don't think this season has been great either and it's a little all over the place but the shite y'all are asking questions about makes me wonder if you're even watching
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
14683 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 2:00 am to
For me the mayor(and his family) is the most comically bad character on the show.
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22516 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 2:34 am to
That's what I'm saying

People seem just to watch and pick it apart just to bitch

Exactly the same people who watch all the fast and furious movies then say it's shite
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
14894 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:02 am to
This season is terrible. The gunfight was intense and an interesting piece of filmmaking, but this plot is absurd. A lot of the acting is comically bad. Lear Lynn showing up with a solo electric guitar every episode while VV and CF talk is like a Greek chorus.

I am not entertained. I'll be surprised if HBO green lights a third season.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
33278 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:14 am to
Yeah they need to walk away and not risk a shitty 3rd season


The name has already been tarnished
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38261 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:14 am to
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but this plot is absurd

What plot is absurd? Christ people don't even pay attention.

They went to investigate the hideout of the guy who was pawning off Casper's shite. As soon as they got there, the entire top floor was blown to bits. That doesn't strike you as some obvious shite was going on there they had to immediately hide?

I'll admit this part of the season has been slow to develop, but damn shite's finally going somewhere and everyone bitches about a gun fight.

I don't know why I even come in this thread anymore. It's not worth reading at this point.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 7:15 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466930 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:28 am to
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That doesn't strike you as some obvious shite was going on there they had to immediately hide?

i thought it was a cook house

if there is some intricate conspiracy, i doubt they leave it up to some vatos running a sweat shop for asian immigrants on the first floor

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but damn shite's finally going somewhere

you do realize "getting somewhere" means they just check pawn shops, right?

quote:

What plot is absurd?

exactly? what plot? it isn't being developed and it's the only thing that possibly is a positive this season

also this isn't popular but i think VV is fine in his role. i guess people want a ganster more like the mayor (who people also hate)?
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
33278 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 7:59 am to
Can we just agree that looks aside, Rachel McAdams is an awful actress and a miscast for the role.

I laugh every time she's in a fight. All she does it shout "frick" or like last week "stop motherfricker". Lol

It's really comical
Posted by Brettesaurus Rex
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
38261 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:00 am to
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also this isn't popular but i think VV is fine in his role.

Completely agree with this. Don't understand people destroying the guy.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
33278 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:04 am to
I like VV and Ferrell. It should have just been a show about their two characters. The gay and the horrible actress are overkill and not needed
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85400 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:08 am to
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the horrible actress are overkill and not needed


well I'm pretty sure McAdams family is going to be important to the story, with her Dad connected to the psychiatrist and her sister in the porn/whore stuff

as for Kitsch...yeah he is terrible
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
14894 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:32 am to
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as for Kitsch...yeah he is terrible


I was so hoping that he would catch a bullet in the head last night. But I knew as soon as the episode opened and he had a confirmed gay experience he was in for the long haul. No way HBO misses out on cramming him down our throat with the message that he is gay and should just accept it and be happy instead of being miserable trying to fit into society's norm - note his marriage proposal to a women who doesn't really love him so they can raise a child.

Parenthood is a big theme of this show too. VV talking about kids like they are a death sentence.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:36 am to
The show sucks. Period. A show should waste an episode or 2 -- not 4. Therefor, the season will suck. It's trite and Los Angeles's darksides and cops have already been covered in movies like To Live and Die in L.A. and Heat. The cop characters bring nothing fresh to film. Nothing.

The bar scenes with Farrell and VV are silly. Vince Vaughn sounds like he's supposed to be hanging out with Will Robinson in Lost in Space.

Glad Ray Donovan is back on. I loved loved loved last season, but sorry -- 4 episodes and you suck 98 percent of the time = done. I'll watch again in a year or so and see if we're all just nuts and perhaps this is great TV.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
107560 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:40 am to
you can't really blame the actors in this one. other than VV they are doing the best they can with the material. I don't think Rachel McAdams is doing a bad job I just don't think her character is well written. The writer should have picked between her character and Kitsch's and eliminated one.

The dad talk between Colin Farrel and Taylor Kitsch last night was so out of place because the characters had barely spoken to each other before much less formed any kind of trust....

HBO should insist on Nick Pizzaloato hiring a team of writers if they do this again.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466930 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 8:42 am to
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as for Kitsch...yeah he is terrible

and his character is retarded (both the actual character and in terms of the overall story). it's just a waste of screen time that could be used on the actual plot

hell i thought in the shootout we were going to see his usefulness and finally justify his character...and he gave us a tease, then disappeared
Posted by Rickety Cricket
Premium Member
Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:22 am to
It sucks that they've tried to make every character Rust Cohle. Every single main character is a flawed, brooding caricature. Hell, even the drunken Vinci mayor is portrayed as some deep chess master. At least in Season 1 Marty was able to cut the tension every now and then.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466930 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:32 am to
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It sucks that they've tried to make every character Rust Cohle. Every single main character is a flawed, brooding caricature. Hell, even the drunken Vinci mayor is portrayed as some deep chess master. At least in Season 1 Marty was able to cut the tension every now and then.

in season 1 every character was normal except rust. sure people were flawed, but they were normal in their flaws

but yes. they're trying to make everyone into these pensive, negative, brooding creatures that suck the life out of any enjoyment because there is no foil to their schtick. add in the fact that they are trying to double the development (by doubling the characters to develop) and you just aren't left with much of a story

hence, why the crime was "solved" in the normal course of any random investigation. there was no "true detectiving" going on like in season 1
Posted by Rickety Cricket
Premium Member
Member since Aug 2007
46883 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:52 am to
Do you think Fukunaga had that much of an effect on S1 or did Pizzolatto just go overboard trying to top S1?
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
14683 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:54 am to
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i didn't forget which season this is

this season is a jumbled mess with really terrible writing and over-done acting. it has good cinematography and underneath the shite show that is the surface, you could probably mold an interesting story. the biggest issue is trying to have a story and 4 character stories while trying to have the characters interact, adapt to the story, and develop.

the story is severely neglected because of the issues with the characters


Agree. The premise of this seasons story is actually pretty cool but the execution has been awful. The dialogue is garbage. Too many main characters, some of the other characters are awful.

The writing was bad at times during season 1(although nowhere near as bad as this) but MM and harrelson were able to cover it up. This season has really exposed the deficiencies in NP's writing.
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 10:08 am
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
72011 posts
Posted on 7/13/15 at 9:58 am to
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exactly? what plot?


but money is moving around up-state!

this show has been terrible so far. The acting is half as good as season 1 and the writing has been stagnant to say the least. The characters lack any real sense of "true detective" (if that makes sense?).
This post was edited on 7/13/15 at 10:40 am
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