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re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"

Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by saderade
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:03 pm to
Overall I loved the show and thought the last episode was great. Other than the green ears-green house connection which was a stretch.
Posted by rebeloke
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:12 pm to
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But I think Rust is smart enough to know that near-death experiences aren't real experiences of the afterlife (any more than hallucinations are real revelations), but projections of fading consciousness.

There is no scientific explanation for his experience, so rationalizations are out. True he had hallucinations during consciousness and it may very well be that he had a dream type experience. Rust did not indicate that he thought what he experienced was false. He was left with the impression that he should not be here, in other words, there with his father and daughter. It was only a brief moment but at the moment where Rust is talking with Marty, it sure seemed more substantive than to which you are alluding.

This is a fictional story, so there is no right or wrong answer, but only our take on how the episode presented the characters. I will concede that it is not a slam dunk either way.
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 4:20 pm to
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that near-death experiences aren't real experiences of the afterlife (any more than hallucinations are real revelations),


I think that the purpose of the hallucinations to some extent was to give some sort of deniability of the supernatural. It doesn't fully prove the possibility of supernatural false. It justtries to point us in another direction as to try to say that any conclusions about what happens after death is irrelevent. It is trying to make statements about life.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 5:57 pm to
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are we still talking about this finale?!!

To be fair, this is the first day anyone has been able to discuss it.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 6:05 pm to
Finally watched the finale last night.

It ended perfectly, they got their man and mended their relationship, which was the main theme of the show.

Did they catch everyone? No, but that's way life is sometimes.

An absolutely incredible, historic series that will be looked back on with much respect and admiration in years to come

They were able to shed a little light on the darkness.


Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:04 pm to
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 9:10 pm to
I think the beauty of the writing that has lead to this discussion is that it's made everyone that watched it experience how the mind deals with hallucinations. We justify them. We philosophize about them. We just cannot accept that maybe... just maybe, it's simply not there and it's a glitch and there's nothing more to it than that.

Because that's not how human beings minds work. We need order. We need reasons. Everything happens for a reason right?

No it doesn't. Not in any fashion we're capable of grasping. Hell the more we get into the quantum the more we realize how little we understand with our 'reason'. But hallucinations have been with us forever. And forever have we justified them and changed history because of them. And the reason is... that's just how we are. We can not just observe without thinking we're somehow more important than we are.

He hallucinated. His mind did what it obviously does and he tried to explain it in a way he could deal with. And because of that, he was the guy he was and he was very hard to get close to. When hallucinations are as real as everything else, but you know they're hallucinations... take a guess how much you trust reality.
Posted by TOKEN
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:25 pm to
"Where is he?" "All around us, before you were born and after you die"

"Come in here with me little man"

"This is Carcosa"

"You know what they did to me.. What I will do to the sons and daughters of man"

This post was edited on 3/11/14 at 10:27 pm
Posted by rebeloke
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:49 pm to
We really need to discuss why Reggie and Errol identified Rust as a priest. He said "little priest" not little man.
Posted by Come2Conquer
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 10:56 pm to
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We really need to discuss why Reggie and Errol identified Rust as a priest. He said "little priest" not little man.


Been racking my brain about this one too.

My only guess is that they could sense something about him that suggested he was capable of becoming the monster each of them had already transformed into. Like a lot of other things, it's not fully explained or fully explored, but I'm all out of answers for that one.
Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:12 pm to
A priest is someone who sacrifices...
Posted by PsychTiger
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Posted on 3/11/14 at 11:20 pm to
Many thanks to The Pain Train on the Fark Board for an appropriate addition to this True Detective gif.



Posted by TOKEN
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 3:29 am to
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A priest is someone who sacrifices...
Posted by TOKEN
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:04 am to
"Come inside, little priest. To your right, little priest. Take the bride's path. This is Carcosa. You know what they did to me? Hmmm? What I will do to all the sons and daughters of man. You blessed Reggie ... Dewald ... Acolytes. Witnesses to my journey. Lovers. I am not ashamed. Come die with me, little priest."

—Errol Childress
Posted by magildachunks
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 6:20 am to
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To tell the story. To give the story texture. the texture of the story was "filled with holes



I don't think you understood what story was being told.

The crime and mystery were the background, not the story.

Posted by jeff5891
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 7:54 am to
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he was obviously involved in some way, but that doesn't mean he was using the task force to do his bidding
Posted by davesdawgs
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:06 am to
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They were able to shed a little light on the darkness.


Pretty much sums up the theme of the first season of True Detective.
Posted by davesdawgs
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 8:08 am to
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Many thanks to The Pain Train on the Fark Board for an appropriate addition to this True Detective gif.


For me, this was the best scene in the entire series and aptly defines the relationship between Rust and Marty. Well done on the fark by The Pain Train.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 9:15 am to
that gif is great
Posted by rebeloke
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Posted on 3/12/14 at 11:42 am to
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Been racking my brain about this one too.
My only guess is that they could sense something about him that suggested he was capable of becoming the monster each of them had already transformed into. Like a lot of other things, it's not fully explained or fully explored, but I'm all out of answers for that one.

I go back to the exchange where Marty asks Rust “You ever wonder if you’re a bad man?”
Rust tells him, “No, I don’t wonder, Marty.” He goes on to explain “The world needs bad men. We keep other bad men from the door.”

In this sense the evil of the world is held in check by men who are corrupt by what they experience in their line of duty. Rust was thereby rendered incapable of a normal existence in the very community he was sworn to protect. Rust is priest on the radar of the members of cult because he exudes evil and is a killer. He is also touched with a gift or a calling. He sees things differently and is able to experience things in a way that makes him special.

Now how they knew this is up for question. It almost validates the back arts they practiced with some sort of effectiveness. They were heightened or enlightened through their rituals, which seems to be the point of the rituals in the first place.
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