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re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
I disagree with that definition. Even most main characters don't undergo significant changes, in the sense that their basic character changes. In BB, Walter White has a particular nature that we learn new things about as events unfold. New circumstances afford a new perspective, but the character doesn't change. The character becomes round as perspective accrues over time.
Rust's changes are believable because they are true to his nature.
Perhaps the reason you think Rust is flat is the narrative structure of the story--namely, that we get different versions of Rust simultaneously rather than in historical order.
Rust's changes are believable because they are true to his nature.
Perhaps the reason you think Rust is flat is the narrative structure of the story--namely, that we get different versions of Rust simultaneously rather than in historical order.
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:42 pm to jg8623
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Just because it wasn't spelled out for you in specifics, it doesnt mean it didn't answer any questions for anybody else
the correct response is "just because it didn't spell it out for you doesn't mean that we weren't left with an open-ended story with lots of interpretations and/or guesses to discuss"
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'd never be allowed to be a cop, unless i did a lot of lying and intentional mistakes on IQ tests
That's why it's a fricking television show. It's not real life
Not everything has to be completely comparable to real life circumstance
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the correct response is "just because it didn't spell it out for you doesn't mean that we weren't left with an open-ended story with lots of interpretations and/or guesses to discuss"
That's how you view it. Nothing wrong with that. Just saying some people may view it differently. What's so bad about that?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:44 pm to Bayou Sam
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I disagree with that definition
that's fine. i was taught that definition and it's how i was using it. that's the only reason why i posted those
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namely, that we get different versions of Rust simultaneously rather than in historical order.
i don't think Rust is any different in 2012. marty's comment about how he hasn't changed furthers that point
how exactly was he different (obviously i don't mean post-hospital)?
his shed in 2012 was literally just an extension of what he was doing in 2002 before he quit
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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like i've said many times, there is a large gap between 0 (which is basically what we got) and having EVERY detail explained.
It really isn't a surprise that you think basically 0 was explained if you can't, or refuse to, make the connection that Tuttle was involved.
Everything wasn't fully explained but it was a hell of a lot more than 0 to anyone willing to acknowledge it.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:45 pm to jg8623
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That's how you view it.
no. that's the response people bring up with art and interpretation of art
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:46 pm to jg8623
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That's why it's a fricking television show. It's not real life
but i thought the justification for not going into explanations about the cult/group and plot was b/c it WAS realistic
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:47 pm to MOT
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make the connection that Tuttle was involved.
we have no idea of his true involvement. you can guess a lot of things, but they're all guesses
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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no. that's the response people bring up with art and interpretation of art
Yep, this argument is worthless with someone this biased towards something and unwilling to accept another person's opinion
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you think various texas agencies would rely on a guy like Rust to perform deep undercover work?
rust can't work within the confines of a normal investigative/CID unit...how could he ever obey the intricate rules and chain of command of deep UC work?
This is just nonsense. If a cop produces results, it doesn't matter whether he believes in God or doesn't party with the bros.
Nor does it matter whether a "smart cop" would be hired in real life. It's also true that in real life Walter White would be immediately murdered by the cartel. This is not the standard of realism we should want in a story.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but i thought the justification for not going into explanations about the cult/group and plot was b/c it WAS realistic
I never said that. Maybe someone else did
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we have no idea of his true involvement. you can guess a lot of things, but they're all guesses
They're all guesses because there wasn't bright flashing neon lights at the end that read "Billy Lee Tuttle was involved in some sick child rape/sacrifice type shite fwiw".
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:53 pm to Bayou Sam
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It's also true that in real life Walter White would be immediately murdered by the cartel
Yep, this reasoning could be used for about 90% of the tv shows on in the past. That's why it's entertaining, there all a stretch on reality. At the least
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
We've gone over this in previous threads.
1995 Rust is trying to keep his shite under control. He doesn't go around announcing his opinions to everybody. He's the taxman--methodical, trying to use the job to keep his sanity.
Rust post-Reggie seems to have harmonized somewhat with life. He gets a girlfriend, deepens his friendship with Marty. But his nature increasingly wins out. The recognition that he's lying to himself looms larger. Then he discovers that the real killer--the yellow king--is still alive. And he becomes unhinged and alienates everyone, destroying his friendship with marty in the process. Rust retreats to Alaska.
He comes back to LA to finish the job, out of a sense of duty. At this point he's past Stoicism--he has internalized to a hitherto unprecedented degree his darkest beliefs about nature. Hence the high level of philosophical poetry during the interviews.
Once again, bringing justice to the killer returns him to some harmony with the world. That and his near-death experience.
I also think it's interesting that you are exaggerating just how much has been left "unexplained".
1995 Rust is trying to keep his shite under control. He doesn't go around announcing his opinions to everybody. He's the taxman--methodical, trying to use the job to keep his sanity.
Rust post-Reggie seems to have harmonized somewhat with life. He gets a girlfriend, deepens his friendship with Marty. But his nature increasingly wins out. The recognition that he's lying to himself looms larger. Then he discovers that the real killer--the yellow king--is still alive. And he becomes unhinged and alienates everyone, destroying his friendship with marty in the process. Rust retreats to Alaska.
He comes back to LA to finish the job, out of a sense of duty. At this point he's past Stoicism--he has internalized to a hitherto unprecedented degree his darkest beliefs about nature. Hence the high level of philosophical poetry during the interviews.
Once again, bringing justice to the killer returns him to some harmony with the world. That and his near-death experience.
I also think it's interesting that you are exaggerating just how much has been left "unexplained".
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
It seems like many are now saying that Errol was the ring leader and ledoux and his partner were his followers. Errol had a supernatural presence that instilled fear, which is why the guy in jail killed himself and others followed.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:58 pm to MOT
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They're all guesses because there wasn't bright flashing neon lights at the end that read "Billy Lee Tuttle was involved in some sick child rape/sacrifice type shite fwiw".
Yep,it's really not worth arguing over with some person who still isnt sure of tuttles involvement. Who cares if he has pics and videos and ran all the schools that the kids went to...
With that being said, I'm done with all this nonsense
Great show and enjoyed reading about it on here over the past 2 months
Posted on 3/10/14 at 7:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
I hope all the newer posters realize that we are being treated to some classic SFP posting behavior from back in the day. Appreciate it boys and girls. It's like running into the famous Buzz Killington snatched straight from an old English man's club and transported into your living room!
Posted on 3/10/14 at 7:34 pm to Methuselah
Posted on 3/10/14 at 7:35 pm to Methuselah
I think I said something about......
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