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re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
Rust changed some.
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:08 pm to TH03
quote:
over 5 seasons of 45 minute episodes.
rust had 8 hours of time to develop
but he pretty much did not develop at all (Except maybe the final 5 minutes)
and if you're saying an in-depth character study with interesting character developed is flawed with an 8-episode series, especially when the majority of the time within those 8 episodes are about an irrelevant investigation...then i agree
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:09 pm to Festus
quote:
Rust changed some.
at the very end after he almost died? sure. it was a smidge, as he was still very cynical and negative about reality
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:What negative qualities did it have?
it was mediocre-goodish. like a 6.5-7.0/10
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i couldn't resist posting after last night's episode when it completely invalidated about 90% (min) of the discussion about the show, because i knew that people would just shift their expectations again
you keep acting like this is some grand revelation or prediction you had. it's not. it's common sense. when the show made it clear it wasn't going in the direction everyone had predicted, why would they still keep expectations they know wouldn't be met? the show shifted, and the viewers expectations shifted accordingly.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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ignoring the fact that rust doesn't change, as a character is allowed to be a complete weirdo within a bureaucracy/social structure. that is not realistic. "present" rust is very possible, but 1995-2002 rust was...not (at all).
Again, just wrong. Rust was not on the job for very long when we meet him in 1995. And then he quickly makes his name for himself both as the hero who got Reggie Ledoux and the ace interrogator for all of Louisiana. So his colleagues could easily live with his idiosyncrasies, until he really went over the edge and left the force.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:10 pm to JBeam
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What negative elements did it have?
a ton of wasted time over the cult/mystery plot line
flat characters who didn't really develop much
Rust (in general
)Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:11 pm to TH03
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you keep acting like this is some grand revelation or prediction you had. it's not.
it was after episode 5
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when the show made it clear it wasn't going in the direction everyone had predicted, why would they still keep expectations they know wouldn't be met?
why were people still posting about these irrelevant story lines UP TO the episode last night?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:13 pm to Bayou Sam
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Rust was not on the job for very long when we meet him in 1995.
he would have never made it "on the job" at his previous jobs that would allow him get that job
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And then he quickly makes his name for himself both as the hero who got Reggie Ledoux and the ace interrogator for all of Louisiana.
he would have never gotten that opportunity. a person like Rust would never be allowed to investigate murders in the State of Louisiana (for a bunch of reasons)
hell, most police departments don't even hire "smart" people to be cops (and in all reality, Rust is a perfect example of why)
"Chain of command"
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:13 pm to Bayou Sam
Can we just change the thread title to "SFP is not impressed"?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:For a anthology series I think they did a fine job with character development. What characters did you find flat?
flat characters who didn't really develop much
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
why were people still posting about these irrelevant story lines UP TO the episode last night?
because on message boards, people place an overinflated value on their opinions and act as if their predictions matter. plus they WANT to be right so they can act like they're some cinematic genius instead of a message board wannabe.
I KNOW you know this, probably better than I do, and I know you were laughing just as hard as I was when literally only one "prediction" came true: rust not recognizing the guy because he was sitting down on the lawnmower and couldn't judge his height.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:17 pm to Melvin
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:18 pm to JBeam
quote:
What characters did you find flat?
all of them
rust was rust. he had a slight flicker at the end, but he still was mostly rust. hell marty even makes it explicit when he brings up (in "present") how rust still thinks he's the best/smartest person in the room
marty didn't really change, even in "present". he just got thrown on his arse finally, but even then he acted the same (listen to his justifications in the LSP interviews...same as 95). he resisted looking deeper into the investigation in "present"...until Rust played at the same heart strings (re: children) that would have worked in 1995 (see: committing to something). hell marty even had problems saying "sorry" in the present.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
So he was an investigator in Texas, no doubt as talented as he was later in life.
Then his daughter dies and he goes undercover-crazy, kills a dude, gets owned some more by the chain of command and goes busting big cases, and then gets shot in the process.
Instead of retiring he requests to be a detective again. Request granted and sent to Louisiana where people don't know him.
And you think this is unrealistic because..."cops don't hire smart people".
The defense rests.
Then his daughter dies and he goes undercover-crazy, kills a dude, gets owned some more by the chain of command and goes busting big cases, and then gets shot in the process.
Instead of retiring he requests to be a detective again. Request granted and sent to Louisiana where people don't know him.
And you think this is unrealistic because..."cops don't hire smart people".
The defense rests.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:18 pm to PsychTiger
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:20 pm to JBeam
quote:
What characters did you find flat?
quote:
all of them
Did you expect any other answer?Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:21 pm to TH03
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because on message boards, people place an overinflated value on their opinions and act as if their predictions matter. plus they WANT to be right so they can act like they're some cinematic genius instead of a message board wannabe.
but this denotes that there was no recognized shift, especially in the perception of the show
the vast majority of the response-behavior remained consistent over 7 hours. there was no shift
when i brought up the issue that the show may not resolve itself, people's defense mechanisms FLIPPED OUT. and this was after like episode 5. the resolution of the mystery was a big deal and it never changed. until last night, there wasn't this massive "shift" to a disregard for the mystery/plot
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
Your definition of a "flat" character--i.e., a character who doesn't undergo "significant" change (whatever that means, since Rust undergoes change)--is poor.
A flat character is someone who isn't realized, not someone who has a consistent nature.
A flat character is someone who isn't realized, not someone who has a consistent nature.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 6:22 pm to Bayou Sam
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And you think this is unrealistic because..."cops don't hire smart people".
you think various texas agencies would rely on a guy like Rust to perform deep undercover work?
rust can't work within the confines of a normal investigative/CID unit...how could he ever obey the intricate rules and chain of command of deep UC work?
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