re: tOfficial Better Call Saul S06E07 “Plan and Execution” Thread

You just can't be a good person and live in Albuquerque, New Mexico.


Eta

Except maybe Nacho's Dad and Irene Landry, and they both may be on borrowed time.

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Seriously, i Think Howard is the only main character in the entire show who is actually a good person.

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If I had to rank the entire main cast by morality:

Howard
Chuck
Nacho
Mike
Jimmy
Kim
Gus
Lalo

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They did a good job building him up/making you feel bad for him throughout the season.

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I think the last couple episodes did a good job of showing another dimension to Howard, suggesting he wasn't that different from any other stereotypical trial lawyer.

-Having a detective agency on call (even though Jimmy intercepted that and conned him)
-Stretching out the Sandpiper settlement for more money, even knowing that some of the plaintiffs won't live long enough to see the money
-He and HHM would get a higher dollar amount from a bigger settlement, whether the elderly plaintiffs live to see it or not
-Getting the old lady to sit in a wheelchair that she doesn't need, just for theatrics
-Admitting to Jimmy & Kimmy that he's in debt, suggesting a motive for stretching out the Sandpiper settlement

Not that any of that justifies Jimmy & Kimmy's awful actions, but they do see another side to him besides the easy smile and faux concern.

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curious how you arrived at this order?

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Nacho above them all because he never really does anything blatantly wrong. But as someone mentioned he is still part of the cartel.

Mike slightly below him because he killed Ziegler. Yes, he did it because he had to, but he still did it. Nacho didn’t kill anyone in the entirety of the show. I think he would’ve done the same in Mike’s position, but he wasn’t in that position, so he gets to be slightly above him. Also, Nacho wanted to get out of the “game”.

Jimmy and Kim below them both for sure. They obviously haven’t killed anybody. But they aren’t really built for that so to speak. Mike is an ex-cop who already had a capacity for violence. Jimmy isn’t violent, but he and Kim ruin lives. It’s like Howard said, they do it for fun. Nacho and Mike would never hurt anyone if it weren’t for a reason.

Jimmy before Kim. For two reasons. One, Jimmy was never really serious about screwing Howard, she pushed hard for it. You can argue Jimmy had some emotional reasons to treat Howard the way he did. He strongly associates Howard with Chuck. Doesn’t make it right, but it kind of makes sense.

Kim, however, has no reason to screw over Howard. Howard was only ever kind to her and she still wants to ruin his life. Difference is, she has no deep trauma in the relationship like Jimmy does.

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also where have you been

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idk. around. i still post like once a week

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morality isn't as simple as what you do but why you do it as well

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Thanks for the fortune cookie knowledge fatso

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Jimmy couldn’t be BB era Saul if Kim were to get killed. Not happening

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Jimmy merely needs to believe she is alive in order to be the Saul Goodman in BB. She could die after they agree she should disappear until the mess she created blows over.

In the world of Peter and Vince, characters who ruin the lives of others die. They just showed us that Kim greatly contributed to the circumstances that led to Howard’s death. The viewer just saw that Kim is much darker than we thought even though she did not anticipate his death. It seems clear that Kim who did not tell Jimmy that Lalo is alive needs to reassess her presence in his life for a while. It seems increasingly unlikely that Kim is present to help Jimmy behind the scenes in BB.

Saul is a happy man. But Gene is not a happy man. He’s a lonely man looking over his shoulder. But he is taking a chance with exposing his identity for some reason. He probably thinks it might lead to reuniting with Kim whom he believes might be alive and might be looking for him.

At this point whether or not Kim is alive or dead in BB might not be something viewers know until the final episode, and the Gene timeline seems more likely to provide that reveal.

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It seems increasingly unlikely that Kim is present to help Jimmy behind the scenes in BB.

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Them’s fightin words, brother.

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Kim gave up her cushy job to be a public defender for the less fortunate. As shady as she is with Jimmy she is not less moral than him

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How are people still not getting this? The pro bono thing is a bullshite lie she has created for other people, but mostly for HERSELF. She’s not a terrible person, and I’m sure she does care for the less fortunate on some level, but that whole thing is to allow her to keep lying to herself. She gets off on the con. They literally frick mostly, if not only, when she’s most jazzed about the con they’re working. It gets her off.

Gun to my head (pun intended), I think Howard’s death freaks her out and she has a coming to Jesus with herself. I think the pink sweater was an absolute choice to indicate it. And I think she uses the vacuum repair guy. That shot lingered on her holding the card too long to be an accident. And the flash forward to the BB timeline right before Saul disappears where he tells Francesca to answer the phone at the exact time (his birthday) has him so excited, I can’t see it being anybody other than Kim. So maybe she tells him she’s peacing, will lay low, and call him on that date at that time on that number makes sense.

However, her mentioning she and her mom having a history of peacing out in the middle of the night kinda suggests she wouldn’t tell Jimmy. I don’t know. We’ll be finding out soon, though.

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It seems clear that Kim who did not tell Jimmy that Lalo is alive needs to reassess her presence in his life for a while. It seems increasingly unlikely that Kim is present to help Jimmy behind the scenes in BB.

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I think thats a wake up call for kim. she was looking over her shoulders in previous episodes and paranoid about being followed/watched even after she knew who was watching her... but not this episode...

she may have accepted mike would protect them so she didnt tell jimmy about lalo, but will now realize they are in over their heads with lalo.