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To help with GOT withdrawals, lets revisit the Tower Of Joy
Posted on 7/26/18 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 7/26/18 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:43 pm to weagle99
They butchered the hell out of this scene. All they had to do was literally take the pages from the book & use that as the script, word for word.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 3:52 pm to StealthCalais11
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They butchered the hell out of this scene. All they had to do was literally take the pages from the book & use that as the script, word for word
Yup. Disaster. They had the entire thing laid out for them. A pivotal scene like that should be adapted as close to the text as possible.
Even the fight scene was poorly done. Dual-wielding Arthur Dayne fighting a bunch of dudes standing around waiting to swing
D&D are completely incompetent when they stray from the source material.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:02 pm to StealthCalais11
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They butchered the hell out of this scene. All they had to do was literally take the pages from the book & use that as the script, word for word.
More than anything, I was annoyed they didn’t show the third member of the kingsguard.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:04 pm to weagle99
For comparison purposes:
He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.
In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory's father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon's squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man's memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist.
They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.
"I looked for you on the Trident," Ned said to them.
"We were not there," Ser Gerold answered.
"Woe to the Usurper if we had been," said Ser Oswell.
"When King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were."
"Far away," Ser Gerold said, "or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells."
"I came down on Storm's End to lift the siege," Ned told them, "and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them."
"Our knees do not bend easily," said Ser Arthur Dayne.
"Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him."
"Ser Willem is a good man and true," said Ser Oswell.
"But not of the Kingsguard," Ser Gerold pointed out. "The Kingsguard does not flee."
"Then or now," said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
"We swore a vow," explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned's wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
"And now it begins," said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
"No," Ned said with sadness in his voice. "Now it ends." As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. "Eddard!" she called. A storm of rose petals blew across a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.
"Lord Eddard," Lyanna called again.
"I promise," he whispered. "Lya, I promise . . . "
"Lord Eddard," a man echoed from the dark.
Groaning, Eddard Stark opened his eyes. Moonlight streamed through the tall windows of the Tower of the Hand.
He dreamt an old dream, of three knights in white cloaks, and a tower long fallen, and Lyanna in her bed of blood.
In the dream his friends rode with him, as they had in life. Proud Martyn Cassel, Jory's father; faithful Theo Wull; Ethan Glover, who had been Brandon's squire; Ser Mark Ryswell, soft of speech and gentle of heart; the crannogman, Howland Reed; Lord Dustin on his great red stallion. Ned had known their faces as well as he knew his own once, but the years leech at a man's memories, even those he has vowed never to forget. In the dream they were only shadows, grey wraiths on horses made of mist.
They were seven, facing three. In the dream as it had been in life. Yet these were no ordinary three. They waited before the round tower, the red mountains of Dorne at their backs, their white cloaks blowing in the wind. And these were no shadows; their faces burned clear, even now. Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning, had a sad smile on his lips. The hilt of the greatsword Dawn poked up over his right shoulder. Ser Oswell Whent was on one knee, sharpening his blade with a whetstone. Across his white-enameled helm, the black bat of his House spread its wings. Between them stood fierce old Ser Gerold Hightower, the White Bull, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.
"I looked for you on the Trident," Ned said to them.
"We were not there," Ser Gerold answered.
"Woe to the Usurper if we had been," said Ser Oswell.
"When King's Landing fell, Ser Jaime slew your king with a golden sword, and I wondered where you were."
"Far away," Ser Gerold said, "or Aerys would yet sit the Iron Throne, and our false brother would burn in seven hells."
"I came down on Storm's End to lift the siege," Ned told them, "and the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne dipped their banners, and all their knights bent the knee to pledge us fealty. I was certain you would be among them."
"Our knees do not bend easily," said Ser Arthur Dayne.
"Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him."
"Ser Willem is a good man and true," said Ser Oswell.
"But not of the Kingsguard," Ser Gerold pointed out. "The Kingsguard does not flee."
"Then or now," said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
"We swore a vow," explained old Ser Gerold.
Ned's wraiths moved up beside him, with shadow swords in hand. They were seven against three.
"And now it begins," said Ser Arthur Dayne, the Sword of the Morning. He unsheathed Dawn and held it with both hands. The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light.
"No," Ned said with sadness in his voice. "Now it ends." As they came together in a rush of steel and shadow, he could hear Lyanna screaming. "Eddard!" she called. A storm of rose petals blew across a blood-streaked sky, as blue as the eyes of death.
"Lord Eddard," Lyanna called again.
"I promise," he whispered. "Lya, I promise . . . "
"Lord Eddard," a man echoed from the dark.
Groaning, Eddard Stark opened his eyes. Moonlight streamed through the tall windows of the Tower of the Hand.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:05 pm to ohiovol
95% of the time I think the "D&D frick everything up" talk is overblown. But damn did D&D ever frick that up.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:06 pm to ohiovol
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More than anything, I was annoyed they didn’t show the third member of the kingsguard.
It should have been copy and paste. I would have loved if they started Season Six with something like the Tale of Three Brothers from the Deathly Hallows to show it: LINK
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:07 pm to StealthCalais11
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They butchered the hell out of this scene. All they had to do was literally take the pages from the book & use that as the script, word for word.
I assume they just thought it was too flowery and unrealistic that they would have that extended exchange shortly before a fight to the death. Or maybe they were just worried show only watchers would be confused.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:08 pm to Sun God
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95% of the time I think the "D&D frick everything up" talk is overblown. But damn did D&D ever frick that up.
Yup. I also remember being annoyed they left the broken man speech out.
This post was edited on 7/26/18 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:13 pm to ohiovol
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I assume they just thought it was too flowery and unrealistic that they would have that extended exchange shortly before a fight to the death. Or maybe they were just worried show only watchers would be confused.
They’ve dumbed it down so fricking much that after revealing who Jon Snow’s parents were and the Comatose Khal Drogo’s still didn’t get it, that they had spell it out in this awful scene: LINK
People talk shite about LOST, but LOST would have never made a scene this condescendingly stupidly spelt out to the audience. Plus I also hate that Jon in the show (he’s almost certainly not in the books) is named Aegon and not Jaehaerys or Aemon.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:17 pm to OMLandshark
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They’ve dumbed it down so fricking much that after revealing who Jon Snow’s parents were and the Comatose Khal Drogo’s still didn’t get it, that they had spell it out in this awful scene: LINK
People talk shite about LOST, but LOST would have never made a scene this condescendingly stupidly spelt out to the audience. Plus I also hate that Jon in the show (he’s almost certainly not in the books) is named Aegon and not Jaehaerys or Aemon.
I disagree. What reason would they have for changing the name? That change does absolutely nothing for anyone. I think the most likely explanation is Rhaegar is a weird, prophecy obsessed guy who thought TPTWP had to be named Aegon.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:18 pm to weagle99
It’s unbelievable we still have a year to wait
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:27 pm to ohiovol
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What reason would they have for changing the name?
The fact that Jon had an older brother named Aegon that was still alive by Rhaegar’s death, and repeating it is ridiculous. It’s almost certain he had either Jaehaerys or Aemon as the name in mind if male and Visenya if female. Rhaegar had a close relationship with Aemon and wrote him frequently, so I think it’s likely he’d name his second son after him.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:28 pm to Carson123987
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D&D are completely incompetent when they stray from the source material.
Absolutely. And even worse was the fact that they decided to cut some of the coolest shite from the source material they did have.
The way they’ve handled the North has been an abortion.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:32 pm to Big_Slim
There’s no way Barristan goes down in the books defending Grey Worm from a bunch of fricking teenagers. I really hope he goes down defending Dany from Valyrian demons in the books.
But one of the worst is when they reveal that Littlefinger is really the main antagonist just in passing and not as epic as it was in the books. The woman who portrayed Lysa could have gotten the guest acting Emmy if it was just copied and pasted from the books.
But one of the worst is when they reveal that Littlefinger is really the main antagonist just in passing and not as epic as it was in the books. The woman who portrayed Lysa could have gotten the guest acting Emmy if it was just copied and pasted from the books.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:36 pm to OMLandshark
How Barristan went down on the show pisses me off far more than any other character death deviation.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:37 pm to OMLandshark
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But one of the worst is when they reveal that Littlefinger is really the main antagonist just in passing and not as epic as it was in the books.
it wasnt even 1% as epic as it was in the books
best character in the books, complete joke in the show.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:43 pm to weagle99
So this thread is just gonna circle jerk about how much better the books are then?
Sounds good. Quit watching the show if it is so bad.
Sounds good. Quit watching the show if it is so bad.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 4:43 pm to BluegrassBelle
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How Barristan went down on the show pisses me off far more than any other character death deviation.
That definitely pissed me off the most, but I hate Littlefinger’s death in the show as well. He’s taken down by a human 8 ball. This is something he could not have accounted for and is simply a cheat sheet. Sansa should have figured it out herself and then personally done the deed.
Arya really has no connection to LF and I think the only scenes in the book that they are even at the same place is the Tourney of the Hand and Ned’s execution where they never directly interact.
In the books, I’m almost sure what the phrase will be for the last horse to cross the finish line: soft heart. My theory for his death in the books is that Sansa slits his throat with the Valyrian Steel Dagger in the crypts of Winterfell in front of Ned Stark’s tomb as he’s moving in for the kill on Tyrion. That’s a perfect death for him.
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