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re: THR Article: Is Disney Bad at Star Wars? An Analysis
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:44 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:44 am to SammyTiger
I know what i wrote was long, but the point I was making was the prequels still had a ton of fun Star Wars action in them as far as lightsaber battles and space fighting. The story was still good, just had some silly dialogue.
The Sequel trilogy had none of that, while having a shitty story.
If i walk by a tv and the pod race from Phantom Menace is on, i'm going to watch it. Same with any scene with Darth Maul. That movie was full of dumb dialogue and an aggravating new character, but it had some awesome classic Star Wars action scenes.
Clone Wars wasn't all that good, but it gave us the first time Yoda fought, and it was really good.
Revenge of the Sith was a really good movie, and had a ton of awesome action.
They all suffered from bad dialogue at times, but they also all had awesome scenes.
What was an awesome Star Wars action scene from the sequels?
The Sequel trilogy had none of that, while having a shitty story.
If i walk by a tv and the pod race from Phantom Menace is on, i'm going to watch it. Same with any scene with Darth Maul. That movie was full of dumb dialogue and an aggravating new character, but it had some awesome classic Star Wars action scenes.
Clone Wars wasn't all that good, but it gave us the first time Yoda fought, and it was really good.
Revenge of the Sith was a really good movie, and had a ton of awesome action.
They all suffered from bad dialogue at times, but they also all had awesome scenes.
What was an awesome Star Wars action scene from the sequels?
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Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:46 am to SammyTiger
The prequels are mostly bad. People hate Disney SW so we have a lot of revisionist history when it comes to the prequels. They were hated by almost everyone back then. I like Sith, even though Vader's turn was laughably bad. The Phantom Menace and AOTC are awful films.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:51 am to SammyTiger
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Third Mocie: Anakin gets upset because of his job title, and being told to spy on Palpatine. This shakes Anakin’s faith in the Jedi even though l Palpatine turns out to be a Sith and Jedi were right to have Anakin spy on him.
That's what you think made him become Darth Vader?
Posted on 10/4/24 at 10:59 am to SammyTiger
The prequels were redeemed, or maybe a better word is moderated, because they were immediately followed by The Clones Wars, which was amazing at filling in the gaps and gave you the Anakin you should have got in the prequels. Plus you get the introduction of my fav character Ahsoka.
Then Rebels hits and they were totally leading into the long awaited Thrawn.
And we then get the shite that was TLJ and TRS. Plus obiwan, boba fett, acolyte,
It makes crap like ahsoka seem not bad.
There is a theme here.
And that’s Disney picked Kennedy to drive the bus when the person they needed was filoni.
Then Rebels hits and they were totally leading into the long awaited Thrawn.
And we then get the shite that was TLJ and TRS. Plus obiwan, boba fett, acolyte,
It makes crap like ahsoka seem not bad.
There is a theme here.
And that’s Disney picked Kennedy to drive the bus when the person they needed was filoni.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 11:02 am
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:03 am to Roaad
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Just because the Witch King is killed by the power of semantics, doesn't make LotR as bad as the Willow TV show
Just curious...are you referring to "I am no man" ?
Because that's actually what Eowyn says in the book, albeit the line was very parsed down for cinema.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:03 am to TeddyPadillac
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I know what i wrote was long, but the point I was making was the prequels still had a ton of fun Star Wars action in them as far as lightsaber battles and space fighting.
The evolution of filming and directing lightsaber fights is pretty interesting
in the OT Hamill says that Lucas told them lightsabers are 40-50. really heavy. told them to use 2 hands a lot, and they played them as being heavy.
They filmed them using sticks and drew in the lightsabers later.
a couple clips of them talking about it.
LINK
Then that changes in the Prequel and you get these extremely fast paced fights. they’re still filming with really light props and the actors are training like crazy. The in universe explanation is that they’re jedi and sith in their prime (doesn’t explain why Vader is slow in the PT but still)
IDK if disney is trying to go back to the OT style, but i’ve also seen out there that they’re using props that are significantly heavier. and they just can’t swing them like the old sticks.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:05 am to TeddyPadillac
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That's what you think made him become Darth Vader?
it’s part of it and it’s dumb.
I remember the vision and shite like that and just his general anger issues.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:06 am to extremetigerfanatic
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And that’s Disney picked Kennedy to drive the bus when the person they needed was filoni.
If he had control from day 1, we aren't even having this debate. There would have been a clear direction for the sequels where they build off each other.
How Kathleen Kennedy wasn't fired after approving Rien Johnson's pitch for the movie is a great mystery.
"So you want to undo everything we built up in the first movie and kill off our main threat as a gag?"
"It's called being subversive!"
"Get out."
Boom billions of dollars saved.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:17 am to ThoseGuys
it is insane that they gave so much control to Rian and didn’t have a solid direction.
The Force Awakens has its issues and is an extremely reductive plot (how many times is the Empire going to try and build a death star?) but it threw away everything cool in the second movie.
The Force Awakens has its issues and is an extremely reductive plot (how many times is the Empire going to try and build a death star?) but it threw away everything cool in the second movie.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:32 am to UGATiger26
quote:Yes
Just curious...are you referring to "I am no man" ?
quote:I know that. It is irrelevant to the point.
Because that's actually what Eowyn says in the book
The point is a dumb, or poorly executed, thing in a trilogy, doesn't make it as bad as a trilogy that is almost completely bad.
Which is the point people keep bringing up. This one line in AotC means Lucas SW is just as bad Disney Wars.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:45 am to SammyTiger
quote:he is there, but his impact on the the story is minimal. And he isn't even as bad as is popular to say. He was a weak character, that the media made imade out to be a racist caricature.
1st movie has like 60 minutes of Jar Jar Binks screen time
TPM was weaker than the OT, bit better than any of the ST, by far.
Midichlorians are dumb, but less damaging than Clone Palpatine, which meant the OT and Anakin's redemption were meaningless.
Riding space horses on the Star Destroyer maybe the dumbest thing ever put to film, aside from The Acolyte.
quote:So, because red flags. . .what? Mayhap she knew how much his mother's death cost him, mentally. Women in love do all manner of stupid shite.
Second Movie: Oh that little kid is now a teenager and is dating Padme, who seems cool with him murdering an entire tribe of Tuscan Raiders. NO red flags there. Let’s marry him.
quote:What shook Anakin, was Palpatine fricking with his head. The visions of Padme dying were Palpatine fricking with him.
Third Mocie: Anakin gets upset because of his job title, and being told to spy on Palpatine. This shakes Anakin’s faith in the Jedi even though l Palpatine turns out to be a Sith and Jedi were right to have Anakin spy on him.
quote:Obi Wan went after Anakin. . .his former padawan and bestie. . .that tracks.
Yoda decides instead of him and Obi-wan fighting Palpatine they should split up. Dumb.
quote:That was great. . .wtf. . .
The Mustafwr fight is good besides 3 minutes they spend climbing a tower, and the end where Anakin flips over Obi-wan who effortlessly severs 2 arms and a leg in on strike somehow. “I haaaaaate youuu”
quote:She died from giving birth. . .
Padme dies of a broken heart? Despite having 2 children to live for.
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Oh and then at the end they decide Vader cannot know about the twins. So they send 1 with Organa to be raised as a public figure,
quote:That is a common, and fair criticism
and the other they give Anakin’s last name and take him to live with one of like 5 total people alive that have any connection to Dark Vader. And they tell him who his father is, and they tell Luke Anakin was a spice trader which instills an interest in space travel
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:46 am to RLDSC FAN
quote:They are fine.
The prequels are mostly bad.
They have many of the best moments in all of Star Wars, for sure.
They are Oscar-worthy, compared to the ST
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:46 am to Roaad
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This one line in AotC means Lucas SW is just as bad Disney Wars.
That line is used so much because it's a meme at this point. It's not the only thing that makes the Prequels bad. The directing, cinematography, dialogue, and editing makes the Prequels as bad as the crap Disney does.
The story of the Prequels is amazing. A young boy, the son of a slave, gets told he is the promised one that will save the universe. He falls in love but knows he can't be with her despite not understanding why. He struggles with his responsibilities vs his wants. In a time of massive political turmoil, the Jedi fail to recognize the danger right under their nose, leading to their destruction by the very one they thought would save them because they did not realize just what the prophecy meant. They had grown too big and too powerful and Anakin did bring balance to the Force by going to the Dark Side.
And than George Lucas fumbled so fricking hard because he wants to sell toys and play with CGI rather than tell his story he had crafted.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:49 am to ThoseGuys
quote:Not having 1 director for the 3 ST movies was the fatal mistake
If he had control from day 1, we aren't even having this debate. There would have been a clear direction for the sequels where they build off each other.
1- JJ set it up fine
2- Johnson decided screw all that, I need this to be mine
3- JJ has to kinda retcon Rian's shite, and *sigh* bring back Palpatine
Posted on 10/4/24 at 11:52 am to ThoseGuys
quote:I disagree with this opinion, but don't begrudge it.
That line is used so much because it's a meme at this point. It's not the only thing that makes the Prequels bad. The directing, cinematography, dialogue, and editing makes the Prequels as bad as the crap Disney does.
The story of the Prequels is amazing. A young boy, the son of a slave, gets told he is the promised one that will save the universe. He falls in love but knows he can't be with her despite not understanding why. He struggles with his responsibilities vs his wants. In a time of massive political turmoil, the Jedi fail to recognize the danger right under their nose, leading to their destruction by the very one they thought would save them because they did not realize just what the prophecy meant. They had grown too big and too powerful and Anakin did bring balance to the Force by going to the Dark Side.
And than George Lucas fumbled so fricking hard because he wants to sell toys and play with CGI rather than tell his story he had crafted.
My stance isn't that they are masterpieces.
My stance is that they are masterpieces compared to the Sequels, and almost all of Disney Wars.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:00 pm to Roaad
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he is there, but his impact on the the story is minimal. And he isn't even as bad as is popular to say. He was a weak character, that the media made imade out to be a racist caricature.
probably because he talked like a character from a minstrel show.
Racism aside, he was annoying AF.
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Midichlorians are dumb, but less damaging than Clone Palpatine, which meant the OT and Anakin's redemption were meaningless.
Here is the thing, it doesn’t make Anakin’s redemption meaningless. it makes the prophecy from the PT meaningless.
before the prequel trilogy, Anakin’s redemption had meaning beyond “bringing balance to the force”. It was Luke’s father finding the good in himself and saving his son.
The whole prophecy about Anakin being the chosen one and bringing balance to the force is a PT things. So for 20 years, Vader’s redemption had meaning outside the context of that prophecy.
Now we can talk about what Vader actually killing Palpatine means… because they were on the Death Star that then blows up. Maybe Palpatine escapes, or not.
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:10 pm to SammyTiger
quote:That is a retarded comparison. It is nothing like a minstrel show in tone, content, or intent. I mean. . .what?
probably because he talked like a character from a minstrel show.
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quote:Of which there was none
Racism aside
quote:He was fine
he was annoying
quote:Do you not understand Anakin's arc, and why the destruction of Palpatine was pivotal to his redemption?
it doesn’t make Anakin’s redemption meaningless
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:22 pm to Roaad
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That is a retarded comparison. It is nothing like a minstrel show in tone, content, or intent. I mean. . .what?
it’s the way he talks.
“mesa Jah jah Bink.” is a hop skip away from “oh yessa mastah”
quote:
He was fine
Like i said, there is no reason to try and prop up the PT to shite on the ST. If you really believe Jar Jar was fine your taste is questionable.
quote:
Do you not understand Anakin's arc, and why the destruction of Palpatine was pivotal to his redemption?
Yes I do.
I understand it both in the context it was presented in the OT and the context added afterwards by the PT.
Everything about the prophecy, being the chosen one, bringing balance to the force. that’s all from the PT. it’s just not mentioned in the ST.
So while I agree that it ruins the prophecy that he didn’t bring actual final balance to the force, I disagree with the arguement that it’s then meaningless.
If there was never a prophecy it would have meaning. The Main characters father finding redemption and saving his life is meaningful. At that’s what it was about until the PT came out and introduced the prophecy.
throw the prophecy out the window and it’s just a major villain turning good, savings his sons life and killing the Emperor which at least breaks the Empire’s grip on the galaxy.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:30 pm to SammyTiger
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So while I agree that it ruins the prophecy that he didn’t bring actual final balance to the force,
I disagree, I think he did.
The Jedi were mistaken by thinking "bring balance to the Force" meant getting rid of the Sith. That's not balance. Balance means they are equal. The Jedi were the dominant power in the universe for a long time. Anakin brought balance by taking power away from the Jedi and giving it to the Sith. The Jedi's hubris was their undoing.
This post was edited on 10/4/24 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 10/4/24 at 12:34 pm to SammyTiger
quote:Which is supposed to be alien Patois. The "rasist" accusation came from a handful of idiots who heard "mesa" (referring always to himself) and heard "massa"
it’s the way he talks.
The same idiots will hear the term "frijoles negro", and hear the n-word.
Can't blame the black man playing the role, for smooth brains.
quote:Nobody needs to. The ST props up the PT by it's existence.
Like i said, there is no reason to try and prop up the PT to shite on the ST.
quote:Says The Acolyte superfan
your taste is questionable.
quote:OT, by itself, was the hero's journey of Luke
I understand it both in the context it was presented in the OT and the context added afterwards by the PT.
The PT/OT is about the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin. Destroying the Sith brought balance to the force. . .but that isn't the point I am making.
Destroying Palpatine to save his son redeemed Anakin after he brought about the rise by sparing him.
Even without the prophecy it was a closed loop
Then JJ decided, let's shite all over that.
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