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re: The trailer for the latest miniseries on the life of Anne Boleyn has dropped...

Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:40 am to
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:40 am to
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It's a period drama for a reason. If I'm watching a TV series or movie that's supposed to take place in a time period far removed from the present day, I expect authenticity. Emersion is the #1 goal

They are trying to make money not be authentic. The #1 goal is getting lot's of people to watch. If it wasn't they would have BEEN authentic to the source material.
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This is clearly a move to get people talking about a show

If you believe this
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That's why they cast a black actress to play her. It's a greedy ploy for ratings and conversation.


or this you don't 100% disagree with me. You are angry they are being revisionist. It damages the artistic integrity of the show but from the get go you already know this. All you can do is not watch it or talk about it. You are falling into the trap they set for you and giving them the attention that you don't want them to get by making a thread on social media discussing it.

Examine your own role in this and change your actions since it's the only thing about it you actually control.

Stop it. Get some help.

Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71722 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:44 am to
Or...and stay with me now because this might blow your mind: if we talk negatively about this show online and people don't watch, perhaps that will clue them in that people don't want to see revisionist shite like this? It's not enough NOT to watch. You also have to let them know that you don't want to see this again.
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
25920 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:47 am to
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Looking forward to their next series about Nelson Mandela starring Gary Oldman.



Well you see...according to hollywood being white is an irrelevant part of a white person. But being black is the ONLY relevant part of a black person.
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
8118 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:54 am to
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if we talk negatively about this show online and people don't watch, perhaps that will clue them in that people don't want to see revisionist shite like this?

This is the hole in your logic. These production companies run analytics before they make these shows. If this was true it wouldn't have been attempted. "There is no such thing as negative publicity".

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You also have to let them know that you don't want to see this again.


You do this by not watching and not talking about it to anyone. When you discuss it on a public forum you aren't telling them you don't like it. You are exposing it to potential viewers and ENCOURAGING them to watch it if they feel differently than you. Which ,spoiler alert, many people do.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
35971 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:55 am to
Some of these don’t bother me, like in theatre, I don’t care if there is a black girl in Les Mis, because it’s fricking theatre. I guess everyone has a different threshold that would be “too much”.

I get that this is an overreaction to films being whitewashed for so long. I think it’s culturally dangerous in the long run. What if people a couple of generations down the road think things weren’t really bad for blacks? After all, the Queen of England was black, a French inspector was black, etc.

It isn’t that ridiculous of a notion to think people take what they see on TV as factually and historically accurate.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
34312 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:58 am to
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It's not enough NOT to watch



Step down from your pedestial Mary Margaret. Ratings and money ABSOLUTELY still drive what movies get sequels and what TV shows get picked up. Always has and always will.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
38688 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:11 am to
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The point of a period drama is to transport you back to the time period and make you feel like you are a fly on the wall as some of the most important events in history transpired in front of you. A good period drama makes you feel like you were really there. When you cast black actors to play people we know from contemporary paintings and writings were white, it kind of takes the realism out of the equation and also takes you out of the experience.
We're at a point where period dramas are more clearly divided into historical and entertainment categories. We've always had some division, but the placement of historically incorrect casts makes it more obvious. People were willing to ignore the anachronisms of modern music playing over historical scenes, or aerial shots that were impossible for anyone of that time period to view, even though it should take you out of that particular history.

The main thing is that they're not trying to make an accurate historical presentation. They're giving you entertainment based on those characters and that history.
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You're not watching history come alive anymore, you're watching a TV show.
Unless they've said otherwise, it was intended as a TV show, not a precise representation of a historical event.
Posted by stateofplay
Member since Sep 2018
1504 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:20 am to
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And in any case, Moors were not sub Saharan black either


This is not exactly true. "Moor" was a catch all term used to describe Berbers and other africans including black africans particularly Muslims by certain europeans, it depends.


This post was edited on 5/15/21 at 6:45 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71722 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:20 am to
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This is the hole in your logic. These production companies run analytics before they make these shows.


No, they don't.

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"There is no such thing as negative publicity".


Yes, there is. Why do you think producers postponed the release of Sonic the Hedgehog by a full year when they released the first trailer? Because there was so much negative fan reaction to the look of Sonic.

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You do this by not watching and not talking about it to anyone.


No, you don't. Because then they will justify the poor ratings by thinking that the ad campaign wasn't sufficient enough and thus no one knew it was being released. You rob them of that notion by talking loud and bad about the project, that way they are under no illusions as to why the show was a ratings disaster.


Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
8118 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:36 am to
You clearly don't understand how this works or your role in it. Keep thinking you are "making a difference" while furthering the goals of the people who make this show.

You are being a useful idiot.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
12217 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:03 am to
Looking forward to the action version of Othello starring Jackie Chan.
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71722 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:20 am to
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You clearly don't understand how this works or your role in it. Keep thinking you are "making a difference" while furthering the goals of the people who make this show.

You are being a useful idiot.


Where did I claim I was making a difference?

I'm simply saying that negative reviews + low ratings = cancellation. This is how film and television have worked since the advent of the industry. If enough people talk shite about this series before it even airs, and if enough people don't tune into watch, they likely move away from projects like this going forward. It's why sequels or additional seasons never happen.

None of what I'm saying is inaccurate. But if you want to continue this song and dance of arguing just to argue, I'm perfectly willing and able. I'm currently on leave and have got nothing scheduled for this afternoon.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
30993 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:40 am to
Pretty dumb.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108989 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:48 am to
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It's a period drama for a reason. If I'm watching a TV series or movie that's supposed to take place in a time period far removed from the present day, I expect authenticity


If you want the upmost historical accuracy versus entertainment then you should stick to historical documentaries.

The Crown isn’t fully historically accurate. Neither were The Tudors (Showtime). Or Versailles. I literally cannot think of a modern TV show that is a period piece that doesn’t embellish or casts in a way that is 100% historically accurate.

Hell we’ve been sold by almost every Tudor show that’s come out in the last 50 years that Queen Katherine was a raven haired Spaniard. And that Henry VIII was attractive in his older age. GTHO with that standard that virtually no one else meets either.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85538 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:33 pm to
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That or do a modern day adaptation of the story with this actress. But in a historical setting this makes no sense.


A modern day adaptation would be interesting. Some modern big shot who beheads his wives. Would probably have web set in the Middle East. Would be problematic.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85538 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:36 pm to
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This is not exactly true. "Moor" was a catch all term used to describe Berbers, other North Africans and black africans particularly Muslims by certain europeans, it depends.


It was a catchall term to include North Africans who were and still are primarily not black. There could be some blacks sprinkled in but they’d be the exception. Like Libyans, Egyptians, Moroccans, Tunisians.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
78035 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:48 pm to
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Ratings and money ABSOLUTELY still drive what movies get sequels and what TV shows get picked up. Always has and always will.
This is no longer a truth.

Ratings do not drive TV money anymore.

Positive publicity from journalists does.

Shows can do terribly and still last multiple seasons if the media supports certain characteristics.

Actual ratings are mattering less and less over time.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 12:49 pm
Posted by AURaptor
South
Member since Aug 2018
11958 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:48 pm to



It’s as if Hollywood doesn’t think black characters or stories are interesting enough on their own, right??

Seems a bit... racist.
This post was edited on 5/14/21 at 12:50 pm
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
79080 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:53 pm to
And yet Hank Azaria will self-flagellate for a decade because of "any pain he might have caused Indians" due to voicing Apu.

Universal will re-cast the Italian dub of Laverne Cox's character in Promising Young Woman because they used a male voice actor.

But this is cool.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
79080 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:53 pm to
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Shows can do terribly and still last multiple seasons if the media supports certain characteristics.



Bob Hearts Abishola says 'sup.
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