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re: The Prometheus (Major Spoiler) Discussion Thread
Posted on 6/11/12 at 5:40 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
Posted on 6/11/12 at 5:40 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
I know exactly what you mean. She could be hinting as a Deckard kind of character now that I think about it
Posted on 6/11/12 at 5:43 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Found another great article with supposed "answers" to the Prometheus questions (based on interviews with Lindelof, Scott and certain members of the cast):
LINK
I have to say, the more articles like this I read, the more it makes me appreciate the many layers of this movie that will require re-watches and further pondering.
As to whether Theron's character was an android, she was not per this article.
Here are some excerpts regarding some of the commonly asked questions so far in this thread:
Damon Lindelof: I'd say that the short answer is: That's his programming. In the scene preceding him doing that, he is talking to Weyland (although we don't know it at the time) and he's telling Weyland that this is a bust. That they haven't found anything on this mission other than the stuff in the vials. And Weyland presumably says to him, "Well, what's in the vials?" And David would say, "I'm not entirely sure, we'll have to run some experiments." And Weyland would say, "What would happen if you put it in inside a person?" And David would say, "I don't know, I'll go find out." He doesn't know that he's poisoning Holloway, he asks Holloway, "What would you be willing to do to get the answers to your questions?" Holloway says, "Anything and everything." And that basically overrides whatever ethical programming David is mandated by, [allowing him] to spike his drink.
Logan Marshall-Green [The actor who played Holloway]:My definition of a robot, or at least a self-sustained robot, is to put together information. As much information as possible and data. To build on data. The only way they're going to grow is to build on data. You meet David collecting data instantly. I think he probably hit a wall (so to speak) with this mission. They all hit a wall, at first, with this mission. And going back to his father, Weyland, and he's told to "try harder." I think he understands that he will have to sacrifice a human life in order to achieve that collection of data.
Ridley Scott: No, it doesn't have to be. That could be anywhere. That could be a planet anywhere. All he's doing is acting as a gardener in space. And the plant life, in fact, is the disintegration of himself.
Lindelof: That's an excellent question and one that I'm not going to answer. But I will say that there's something fascinating about humanity where we perceive it as an invitation. You look at a cave wall, there's somebody pointing at some distant planets, and one interpretation is "This is where we come from" another is "We want you to come here." Where are we drawing that from? I think another thing that's interesting about the system that they visit is that the moon the land on in Prometheus is LV 223. And we know LV 426 is where the action takes place in Alien, so are they even in the right place? And how close are they to the place that these aliens on cave walls were directing them. Were they just extrapolating "This is the system that has the sun with the sustainable life." So there's a lot of guesswork. There's a small line in the movie where David and Holloway are talking about David's deconstruction of the language based on Holloway's thesis, and he says "If your thesis is correct" and Holloway says "If it's correct?" and David says "That's why they call it a thesis Doctor." And the reason we threw that in there is that we're dealing with a highly hypothetical area in terms of who these beings are, what, if any invitation they issued, and who is responsible for making those cave paintings. And did something happen in between when those cave paintings were made — tens of thousands of years ago — and our arrival now, in 2093, 2,000 years after these things have perished. Did something happen in the intermediate period that we should be thinking about?
A lot. According to Collider there is about 20 to 30 minutes of deleted scenes Ridley wants to include in the DVD release.
LINK
I have to say, the more articles like this I read, the more it makes me appreciate the many layers of this movie that will require re-watches and further pondering.
As to whether Theron's character was an android, she was not per this article.
Here are some excerpts regarding some of the commonly asked questions so far in this thread:
quote:
What was David's motivation for "infecting" Holloway with black goop?
Damon Lindelof: I'd say that the short answer is: That's his programming. In the scene preceding him doing that, he is talking to Weyland (although we don't know it at the time) and he's telling Weyland that this is a bust. That they haven't found anything on this mission other than the stuff in the vials. And Weyland presumably says to him, "Well, what's in the vials?" And David would say, "I'm not entirely sure, we'll have to run some experiments." And Weyland would say, "What would happen if you put it in inside a person?" And David would say, "I don't know, I'll go find out." He doesn't know that he's poisoning Holloway, he asks Holloway, "What would you be willing to do to get the answers to your questions?" Holloway says, "Anything and everything." And that basically overrides whatever ethical programming David is mandated by, [allowing him] to spike his drink.
Logan Marshall-Green [The actor who played Holloway]:My definition of a robot, or at least a self-sustained robot, is to put together information. As much information as possible and data. To build on data. The only way they're going to grow is to build on data. You meet David collecting data instantly. I think he probably hit a wall (so to speak) with this mission. They all hit a wall, at first, with this mission. And going back to his father, Weyland, and he's told to "try harder." I think he understands that he will have to sacrifice a human life in order to achieve that collection of data.
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Is that first planet in the prologue Earth?
Ridley Scott: No, it doesn't have to be. That could be anywhere. That could be a planet anywhere. All he's doing is acting as a gardener in space. And the plant life, in fact, is the disintegration of himself.
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Do the Engineers want us to visit them?
Lindelof: That's an excellent question and one that I'm not going to answer. But I will say that there's something fascinating about humanity where we perceive it as an invitation. You look at a cave wall, there's somebody pointing at some distant planets, and one interpretation is "This is where we come from" another is "We want you to come here." Where are we drawing that from? I think another thing that's interesting about the system that they visit is that the moon the land on in Prometheus is LV 223. And we know LV 426 is where the action takes place in Alien, so are they even in the right place? And how close are they to the place that these aliens on cave walls were directing them. Were they just extrapolating "This is the system that has the sun with the sustainable life." So there's a lot of guesswork. There's a small line in the movie where David and Holloway are talking about David's deconstruction of the language based on Holloway's thesis, and he says "If your thesis is correct" and Holloway says "If it's correct?" and David says "That's why they call it a thesis Doctor." And the reason we threw that in there is that we're dealing with a highly hypothetical area in terms of who these beings are, what, if any invitation they issued, and who is responsible for making those cave paintings. And did something happen in between when those cave paintings were made — tens of thousands of years ago — and our arrival now, in 2093, 2,000 years after these things have perished. Did something happen in the intermediate period that we should be thinking about?
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What was cut from Prometheus?
A lot. According to Collider there is about 20 to 30 minutes of deleted scenes Ridley wants to include in the DVD release.
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 6/11/12 at 5:50 pm to Jwodie
Lindelof comes off as a giant douchebag.
And that Rapace chick was oddly hot in this movie. When she's laying in bed with the sheet covering her..
And that Rapace chick was oddly hot in this movie. When she's laying in bed with the sheet covering her..
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 6/11/12 at 5:50 pm to Legendairy
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She is a real person
You and everyone else who agreed with you was correct. Just read a Damon Lindelof quote saying she was not an android.
LINK
EDIT: Oops, beaten to it
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 6/11/12 at 5:54 pm to Jwodie
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A lot. According to Collider there is about 20 to 30 minutes of deleted scenes Ridley wants to include in the DVD release.
Yes!
Posted on 6/11/12 at 5:55 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Lindelof comes off as a giant douchebag.
Yes.
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And that Rapace chick was oddly hot in this movie.
Yes x 1000
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:07 pm to Lacour
Okay this is probably me looking waaaay too deeply into this part, but I was thinking about what David said to the Engineer, and I started thinking about David next to this huge engineer, then though about David versus Goliath, then I checked out how the bible depicted this meeting and here's what I found...
1 Samuel 17 :
41) Meanwhile, the Philistine (think Engineer here), with his shield bearer in front of him, kept coming closer to David. 42) He looked David over and saw that he was only a boy, ruddy and handsome, and he despised him.
uhhh, that's pretty crazy.
Now the rest of the passage doesn't quiet fit literally, but it can still figuratively.
1 Samuel 17 :
41) Meanwhile, the Philistine (think Engineer here), with his shield bearer in front of him, kept coming closer to David. 42) He looked David over and saw that he was only a boy, ruddy and handsome, and he despised him.
uhhh, that's pretty crazy.
Now the rest of the passage doesn't quiet fit literally, but it can still figuratively.
This post was edited on 6/11/12 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:28 pm to Jwodie
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A lot. According to Collider there is about 20 to 30 minutes of deleted scenes Ridley wants to include in the DVD release.
See this is what I was saying when I said I cant wait for the director's cut.
Blade Runner became an unbelievable movie with the addition of one scene in the director's cut. The Legend director's cut is a much better movie and the Robin Hood directors cut is a little better.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:30 pm to GeauxUtes
Just got back from an Imax 3D experience of Prometheus.
WOW... What can I say? I feel violated.
That was almost total crap. "Almost" because the landscape scenery was pretty nice... so let's call this 99.2% crap.
First of all, let's get the "why did they create us only to try to kill us" question out of the way... I think the answer to that one is pretty obvious, so I won't supply one.
As for the rest of the movie... UGH.
Dialogue? Atrocious. Not a single witty, humorous, or memorable line in the entire affair. "I didn't know you had it in you" almost made me want to throw my popcorn at the screen.
Acting? Atrocious. Get it out of me! Get it out of me! is bad enough dialogue, but when it's combined with melodramatic acting it's almost laughter inducing. Was Charlize playing Nurse Ratched? Kinda seemed that way to me.
Story? Say WHAT? These were supposed to be SCIENTISTS? Not even five year olds would be so constantly stupid.
Credibility? How on earth do people HEAL that way? You know what I mean. Hey, let's make a head totally independent of a body, too, just so it can keep talking. And let's fly pretty holographic planets all over the set for a nice 3D effect even when it could have served no navigational purpose at all to anybody. Long dead creatures visible to everybody... hey, that's a good one.
Continuity? This was an insult to the other Alien movies. No drama. No tenseness. No fright. I felt no connection, whatsoever, to two movies I greatly love.
Save your money. I almost walked out at the abortion scene, and it turns out I should have. This whole movie should have been aborted.
WOW... What can I say? I feel violated.
That was almost total crap. "Almost" because the landscape scenery was pretty nice... so let's call this 99.2% crap.
First of all, let's get the "why did they create us only to try to kill us" question out of the way... I think the answer to that one is pretty obvious, so I won't supply one.
As for the rest of the movie... UGH.
Dialogue? Atrocious. Not a single witty, humorous, or memorable line in the entire affair. "I didn't know you had it in you" almost made me want to throw my popcorn at the screen.
Acting? Atrocious. Get it out of me! Get it out of me! is bad enough dialogue, but when it's combined with melodramatic acting it's almost laughter inducing. Was Charlize playing Nurse Ratched? Kinda seemed that way to me.
Story? Say WHAT? These were supposed to be SCIENTISTS? Not even five year olds would be so constantly stupid.
Credibility? How on earth do people HEAL that way? You know what I mean. Hey, let's make a head totally independent of a body, too, just so it can keep talking. And let's fly pretty holographic planets all over the set for a nice 3D effect even when it could have served no navigational purpose at all to anybody. Long dead creatures visible to everybody... hey, that's a good one.
Continuity? This was an insult to the other Alien movies. No drama. No tenseness. No fright. I felt no connection, whatsoever, to two movies I greatly love.
Save your money. I almost walked out at the abortion scene, and it turns out I should have. This whole movie should have been aborted.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:31 pm to Big Lake
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Blade Runner became an unbelievable movie with the addition of one scene in the director's cut. The Legend director's cut is a much better movie and the Robin Hood directors cut is a little better.
kingdom of fricking heaven, bro
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:33 pm to Rex
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Dialogue? Atrocious. Not a single witty, humorous, or memorable line in the entire affair.
the exchange before david put the black goo in the drink was pretty awesome, bro
quote:
No drama. No tenseness. No fright.
:omg:
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the exchange before david put the black goo in the drink was pretty awesome, bro
I honestly don't remember it.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:35 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Dang man, was this all you?
Yeah, i didn't post for a while because i was sitting at 19,999 posts and decided to make my 20k post about Prometheus
It is a small point but I do think the movie would have been a slightly more interesting one if Vickers were a robot.
And I'm struck by how little interest the discussion I raised about the Space Jockeys are Titans and how viewing some Titans as Prometheus, Zeus, or Epithemeus has inspired. Seems like most people are struggling to tease out Space Jockey motivations when a plausible analogy is seemingly right there in the title of the film.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:39 pm to GeauxUtes
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When David communicates with one of the Engineers late in the film, what the hell does he say to get them so angry? Did you actually script what that dialogue would have been in our language?
Yes. David's dialogue with the Engineer has an English translation, but Ridley felt very strongly about not subtitling it. I spoke at length about this on my DVD commentary
Anyone speak Sumerian that can translate for us?
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:50 pm to molsusports
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And I'm struck by how little interest the discussion I raised about the Space Jockeys are Titans and how viewing some Titans as Prometheus, Zeus, or Epithemeus has inspired.
I mean, I don't know anyone who didn't immediately make that correlation. The name of the movie is Prometheus and the story started off with humans trying to find our creators.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:52 pm to molsusports
Very nice post
This thread has gotten real. More real than my IQ can handle.
This thread has gotten real. More real than my IQ can handle.
Posted on 6/11/12 at 6:56 pm to molsusports
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molsusports
Do you post on Imdb?
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:01 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
no, never have
why?
why?
Posted on 6/11/12 at 7:05 pm to Jwodie
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A lot. According to Collider there is about 20 to 30 minutes of deleted scenes Ridley wants to include in the DVD release.
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