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re: The Critical Drinker: Why Modern Movies Suck

Posted on 9/21/21 at 7:15 pm to
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 7:15 pm to
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I don't really watch this guy's videos but every time people post his reviews, its typically him shitting on something.



For the most part, this is what he does. To be fair tho, he's yet to shite on something that didn't need to be shite on.


However, he does give positive reviews to films and tv series that are deserving, even new films.

Posted by HabaneroBuck
Up a ways.
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 8:30 pm to
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The latest video essay from the drinker in which he tries to get at the problem with modern filmmaking. He does this by comparing and contrasting the payoff found in the films Tremors (1990) and Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017).


Thanks for posting the link. I don't watch all of his videos, but this one is definitely worthy of everyone's viewing. We intuitively know why some stories are better than others, but this one breaks it down quite well.

Bottom line: We enjoy when a well-done movie manipulates our expectations and feelings, and we detest the same manipulation when it is arrived at artificially or forcefully.
Posted by Jay Are
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Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 8:41 pm to
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A24 has made some good original content since their inception, but very little of it has entered into the public's collective conscious quite like movies such as Pulp Fiction did.


I know you'll think this is an excuse, but the 90s were the final decade of any kind of monoculture. Pulp Fiction screened in every city and was advertized on every channel, back when there were a great deal fewer channels. Th ratings of the lowest-rated, immediately canceled TV shows, would put to shame the highest rated shows of today. Unless you worked at a local record store, you know what radio and video channels played for you.

You can't instantly pierce and dilute the culture now, but to say Ex Machina, Lady Bird, The Witch, or The Lobster haven't entered the collective conscious of anyone with a television under 40 is crazy talk. Hell, I know people who never watch movies who have seen Midsommar because it so quickly became notorious.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 3:04 am to
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And a lot of these franchises appeared in the 80s. In fact, if you like sequels, the only other decade beside the 2010s that was riddled with as many sequels was the 1980s.


Hell, Hitchcock made The Man Who Knew Too Much twice. Once in 1934 and then again in 1956.

I really don't think the people complaining about sequels and remakes realize just how common doing that has been throughout movie history.

Universal made a ton of sequels with its monster movies and many of them crossed over w/each other essentially creating the first movie universe. From 1931-1956 they made 49 monster movies with 15 of them sharing characters (primarily between Frankenstein, The Wolf Man, and Dracula). There were so many that w/a few of them its actually kind of hard to categorize which movie belongs to which franchise. Even ones that didn't cross over like The Mummy and The Creature From the Black Lagoon had multiple films (6 and 3.) LINK

Even the Judy Garland version of The Wizard of Oz is a remake.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 3:07 am
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 4:41 am to
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Hell, Hitchcock made The Man Who Knew Too Much twice. Once in 1934 and then again in 1956.


And both films feature a significantly different plot. The only thing they really had in common was the title of the movie and the kidnapping of a kid which sets off the story.

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I really don't think the people complaining about sequels and remakes realize just how common doing that has been throughout movie history.


The difference between now and then is that sequels and remakes tend to be the only films nowadays to get an ultra-wide release (4,000+ theaters). If we want to see something new and original like Whiplash we tend to have to find an arthouse theater or wait for it to be released on digital streaming or Blu ray.

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Even the Judy Garland version of The Wizard of Oz is a remake.


Which is so different from the original it isn't even funny. The 1925 original was a silent film and featured a completely different antagonist (Prime Minster Kruel vs. the Wicked Witch of the West) and a substantially different plot.

People don't have a problem with remakes if they are done well and put a new and improved spin on the original. It's why remakes like Ocean's Eleven work and remakes like the Disney live action adaptations do not.

Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 4:48 am to
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This entire era of America is finding the tiniest bit of fault in something, exploding it into the biggest deal ever for either money or self importance, and then bitching that nobody wants to take a risk. It's exhausting to be pissed off all the time.


But it's not " the tiniest bit " , which is the point of his videos.

How this escapes you is bewildering.

And he's not alone in his opinions.

RazorFist rants
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 4:54 am
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39417 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 4:51 am to
The good movies are still out there.

They just aren't mainstream.

Crap is mainstream. CGI expensive Drive-Thrus. Late-Night nonsense with bigger budgets.

Lawrence of Arabia wouldn't be the biggest movie in the world today. It would be niche. Maybe considered artsy.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 4:59 am to
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Lawrence of Arabia wouldn't be the biggest movie in the world today.


Lawrence of Arabia wouldn't even get made today. It would be considered too expensive and its subject matter so niche that no one in Hollywood would take a chance on producing it.
Posted by DeoreDX
Member since Oct 2010
4337 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:36 am to
LINK

This Every Frame a Painting video about music in film has a part that illustrates how modern movies overly rely on dialogue to drive plot. It's like the film makers can't trust their audience to be smart enough to get a scene without having someone dialogue the plot. Video should start on the part of Captain America Winter Soldier where he walks through the Captain American museum.

This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 8:38 am
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Member since Nov 2008
60090 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:55 am to
There's still a lot of good films being made today. It's just that franchises like Fast & Furious and comic book films get all the attention, so people like to yell "everything sucks now." Seek out other types of films and you'll see that there's still a lot of quality out there.

I will say that a major problem is, due to political correctness, we're no longer getting great comedies. That's really bad.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70464 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:13 am to
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The 2000s were pretty good



Agreed, especially with comedies.

Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Talladega Nights
Anchorman
Walk Hard
Step Brothers
Just Friends
Wedding Crashers
School of Rock

It also had some decent dramas like:
Kingdom of Heaven
Gladiator
Master & Commander
Inception
The Prestige


The 2010's turned to shitte, along with all other forms of entertainment, starting around 2016, though Hollywood was already in a creative rut with Superhero fatigue.
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
8118 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:13 am to
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every time people post his reviews, its typically him shitting on something.

Well yeah, that's his shtick. He does usually have a lot of good points mixed in there with the smack talk though. He makes fun of himself (or at the the character he portrays) in most videos too.

I find most them to be pretty entertaining. Stop taking it so seriously.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70464 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:20 am to
I actually really appreciated his review of The Witcher because while it pointed out some issues, it was also balanced and pointed out the things that worked really well. He tends to have certain aspects he looks for in film to crap on, and certain aspects he looks to praise. He's rarely, if ever, hypocritical in praising the same aspect that in another video he criticizes and vice-versa.

While I think some of the histrionics are overdone for effect, he's usually a pretty fair analyzer of films and tv.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70464 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:29 am to
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Lawrence of Arabia wouldn't even get made today. It would be considered too expensive and its subject matter so niche that no one in Hollywood would take a chance on producing it.


The reality is that the entertainment industry; from tv, to movies, to music, to video games, etc; has become increasingly risk averse as it has become increasingly consolidated over the last 25 years. There have been several changes in culture, technology, and consumer habits which have motivated these changes from the rise of Napster and online piracy, to the mid-2000's writers strike, to the financial crisis of 2008, the rise of cancel culture in the early 2010's, the streaming revolution, the media's reaction to Trumpism, Covid, and finally the financial incentives to cater to overseas audiences (The Chinese Communist Party).

As a result, you have a smaller number of major studios, distributors, and distribution channels than ever before putting all of their resources into fewer projects than ever before, and making sure that those few projects have the highest floor possible. That means established franchises with built-in fanbases.

They're just not willing to invest in breaking any new ground or trying anything out there. As a result, innovative directors have figured out that the way to make the kinds of daring experimental movies they want to make is to incorporate their ideas into tent-pole franchises (The Joker, Thor: Ragnarok, Deadpool, The Last Jedi, Justice League, etc). That's the only way that they can have any kind of innovation or creativity, and even that will ultimately be stifled by Chinese censors and corporate interlopers with focus-groups.

The end-result is a penny-wise, pound-foolish entertainment industry which is growing stagnant and seeing shrinking margins year after year.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 9:31 am
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4716 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:23 am to
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The end-result is a penny-wise, pound-foolish entertainment industry which is growing stagnant and seeing shrinking margins year after year.


Well said sir.
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