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Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:10 am to supatigah
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matsson gets access to Shiv’s brains without her having access to him.
Yes, I'm sure Matsson calculated every move toward this ultimate goal: Access to Shiv's brains.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:27 am to Stonehog
All three kids were conditioned to believe they could not do the job because they were undermined and degraded by Logan. The three kids were motivated to want the top spot for the wrong reasons. It is clear Logan was never serious about any of the three getting the top spot because he could have made that happen or taken official action to make it happen at anytime prior to his death. Logan's manipulation of the three kids made them unable to perform in the top spot. Logan did not want to be succeeded by any of the kids. The kids may not have really wanted to work in the top spot, they wanted validation from their dad. The only means of validation they wanted was the dad believing they could hold his top spot. Logan was never going to give that to any of them.
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:41 am to FluffyBunnyFeet
her brain was a bit of a joke but did you listen to what matsson said to tom during the interview? he said exactly why he considered her and ultimately spurned her for Tom
he questions her loyalty, he likes her instincts, her name and her connections but she was too pushy and aggressive. so why not promote the man that put a baby in her instead? Shiv can then choose to remain onboard Team GOJO by staying married to her child’s father. or not. Queen to a Paper King or out
Matsson gets all of the benefits of Shiv being publicly Team GOJO without her having direct access to him. matsson said he wants an employee not a partner
then he tested Tom’s fealty to him by openly talking about fricking Shiv and Tom didnt challenge him. At that point Matsson had his answer on an American CEO
he questions her loyalty, he likes her instincts, her name and her connections but she was too pushy and aggressive. so why not promote the man that put a baby in her instead? Shiv can then choose to remain onboard Team GOJO by staying married to her child’s father. or not. Queen to a Paper King or out
Matsson gets all of the benefits of Shiv being publicly Team GOJO without her having direct access to him. matsson said he wants an employee not a partner
then he tested Tom’s fealty to him by openly talking about fricking Shiv and Tom didnt challenge him. At that point Matsson had his answer on an American CEO
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 8:53 am to supatigah
Adding on to that, he made Tom backstab his wife and secretly steal her spot. She would not have known about it if Greg hadnt backchanneled it. Mattson did not want Shiv and probably does not anticipate her input after lying to her and screwing her over. He used Shiv to screw over her brothers and that was it.
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:06 am to Al Opecia
quote:This. The fact that he can continue to cuck Shiv's husband as they go forward is a bonus to him.
He used Shiv to screw over her brothers and that was it.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:11 am to Fewer Kilometers
Ken should not have told Shiv and let her find out at the meeting. She would have voted no based on emotion. Ken probably could have arranged the voting order on the meeting so Shiv was not the deciding last vote. Ken made mistakes also.
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:17 am to Al Opecia
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Ken should not have told Shiv and let her find out at the meeting. She would have voted no based on emotion. Ken probably could have arranged the voting order on the meeting so Shiv was not the deciding last vote. Ken made mistakes also.
Good point. He played that card way too soon.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:09 am to Al Opecia
How/why would she have found out at the Board Meeting from anyone but Ken?
By that point it would have been too late for her to confirm anything he was telling her in the board-room.
By that point it would have been too late for her to confirm anything he was telling her in the board-room.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:32 am to SEC. 593
Tom told her it was him. She wouldnt have known until Tom did that and her anger would have been at him.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:57 am to lsuwins3
I'm about halfway through the season, all 3 of them are so reprehensible. They suck. Same with silver spoon Tom and Greg. 
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:07 am to Triple Bogey
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quote:Kendall has shown that he isn’t the leader.
Disagree with this. His presentation at the investor day was fantastic. Him picking up the pieces for Roman and Shiv constantly. He had political connections and made some really difficult decisions for the business over the years. He deserved it more than Tom IMO.
Agree. Ken has that crazy streak (usually resulting from run ins with his father), but his up side is very high, much moreso than Roman or Shiv. Tom is okay as a placeholder but that’s it.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:17 am to dallastiger55
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So was Shiv being played the whole time or did he have a change or heart at the last minute?
Hard to say bc iirc Mattson gave some viable reasons for the change but it did seem too quick or already in play.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:39 am to Triple Bogey
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His presentation at the investor day was fantastic.
he was also just bullshitting to pump the stock up. None of the kids have actually done anything, they were just playing in the sand while their dad + his lackeys where making the sausage.
if you are Shiv and have billions at stake, are you going to trust an unproven junkie that has a manslaughter bombshell story waiting to be exposed?
Ken's greatest attribute besides his name is that he is best option out of the 4 kids but that is a low bar
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:45 am to Dire Wolf
quote:100%.
None of the kids have actually done anything, they were just playing in the sand while their dad + his lackeys where making the sausage.
The only reason anyone took any of the kids seriously is because of the prospect of them taking over the company and the power that comes with that. The idea that any of them, including Shiv, will have any influence going forward is misplaced. They have nothing to offer now that they don't own/control the company.
quote:Agree with this also. None of them have any actual accomplishments. Ken was just the leper with the most fingers. Again, nobody took him seriously as his own person. He was given audience and consideration by others because of the prospect he might be CEO and was Logan's son.
Ken's greatest attribute besides his name is that he is best option out of the 4 kids but that is a low bar
Posted on 5/30/23 at 11:59 am to coolpapaboze
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. They have nothing to offer now that they don't own/control the company.
and they had all the resources in the world to make something on their own. Even more true now after the billions they received but they never wanted that or have the talent to do it
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:27 pm to Al Opecia
It was only after she told Tom that Mattson "switched lanes" and that Greg had told the trio did Tom tell her he was going to be the CEO.
Had Kendall waited to tell her in the boardroom she wouldn't have told Tom she was out and Tom wouldn't have felt guilty and told her it was him who was going to be CEO.
Had Kendall waited to tell her in the boardroom she wouldn't have told Tom she was out and Tom wouldn't have felt guilty and told her it was him who was going to be CEO.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:34 pm to SEC. 593
She would have found out on her own when she got the cold shoulder from the company or they would have told her directly. It was real evident Tom was the guy on the day of the meeting. It would have had to come from the company. She would not have attended the meeting without talking to anybody thinking she was the CEO.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:37 pm to Al Opecia
I understood from the last couple episodes that Menchen was going to pick the US CEO.. Did I dream that or something?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 12:41 pm to Al Opecia
Maybe, but the episode didn't show any interactions between the Board and new owners until after the vote went thru, so I don't know where you are getting it was evident Tom was the guy before the meeting.
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