re: Star Wars unveils first look of its first trans woman stormtrooper called 'Sister'

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what’s erased?

what is rewritten?

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What comprises the universe. What's important in it. What it feels like. Etc.

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you didn’t read a book about this.

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I said it's connected. It's all about viewing the world as oppressor vs. oppressed. Privileged vs. Non-Privileged and filtering everything through that view. Including culture.

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because trans people exist.

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Dogs exist, and there are no dogs in Star Wars. Jews exist, and there are no Jews in Star Wars (thanks Spaceballs). Tigers exist and there are no tigers in Star Wars. Breakfast cereal exists and there is no breakfast cereal in Star Wars. Aliens don't exist, but there are tons of aliens in Star Wars.

So you've proven nothing.

Why do trans people have to exist in Star Wars?

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Question for you: What part of Star Wars does this change?

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Adding in contemporary political lightning rods into a fictional universe.

Yes, it changes Star Wars by making it a political statement.

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Dogs exist, and there are no dogs in Star Wars.

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Star Wars Dogs


You are operating under the assumption that since we haven't seen Tigers yet, they don't exist.

That seems foolish seeing as we haven't visited every planet

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Dogs exist, and there are no dogs in Star Wars.

Star Wars Dogs

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Way to be obtuse and miss the point.

Also, you failed your own point because those clearly aren't real dogs - they used the word "dog" then created an alien dog to represent it.

But they used the word Trans and made it the same as trans - so instead of creating a fantasy world of their own rules, and own "dogs," they used this version of "trans." Why?

Why not create a new form of what trans means? Why did they again, created a very pointed political message by using what the real "trans" word means?


Answer the question with a real answer: Why do trans people have to exist in Star Wars? What is the purpose?

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Why do transgender people have to be written into every new and every old property? Why?

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because trans people exist.

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I try to completely avoid any poli talk (never visited that board and never will) and I wish those that constantly bring it on this board like you and those you argue with constantly on here and derail every thread would be banned at least from this board. That's not happening so it's kind of no use talking about it, but, if this is the hill you're willing to die on and this is your only response to that question, it's kind of laughable. Wow.

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Becaus trans people exist.

People like to see people like themselves in shows and movies they watch

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People with peanut allergies exist. Where's their representation?

I'm Italian, and yet, I don't see Italians anywhere. If Anakin were suddenly talking to a stereotypical Italian with the dude saying "Ay, I'm frickin walkin ova here!", that wouldn't seem out of place to you?

By your logic, there's no reason that shouldn't be in Star Wars because Italians don't technically "break anything".

1. Italians do exist in the star wars universe, or they will. these events happen a long long time ago, in a galaxy far away. Depending what a long long time ago mean we may be talking pre-italy. So an italian be there actually would be world breaking.

2. Transgenderism isn’t a nationality or religion.

3. said someone had a peanut allergy in SW it wouldn’t break the world either.

4. Given that we have to accept that human exist in the SW universe outside of earth, it’s easy accept that those humans behave like us. The issue here again is that you cant accept these people in either the real world or SW.

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Becaus trans people exist.

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That is actually debatable, and you know it.

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People like to see people like themselves in shows and movies they watch.

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Wrong. This isn't true for everything.

And if someone says, "I need to see myself represented in all of the art I consume," then that's actually a huge problem - it's not because they want representation, it's because they want confirmation. They are trying to find validation - and they want to make sure that they are manifesting reality for OTHER People. They want art to be a complete reflection of the world to confirm their identity.

They want the idea of "Trans," to be like the idea of "good" and "Evil," like a basic understanding of reality.

This is the problem. Representation is a false presentation of what they want. Art is not a place to find validation or confirmation. SOME art may be, yes, not ALL art.

I don't watch horror movies because I identify with the characters, they are usually idiots - and the usual response is "Well if I were in that situation I would do this or that." That's part of the fun of horror movies. ANd it's not driven by sex, religion, orientation, etc.

I don't watch Step Brothers or Ace Ventura because I saw myself in Brennan or Dale or Ace Ventura. That's not why it's funny either. It has nothing to do with them being straight or white.

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and it’s an enormous sci fi world populated by humans who logically probably go through most things humans go through.

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So most humans go through trans identity crises?

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Jews don’t exist but religion does.

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So Jews can't identify with Star Wars, by your description?

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Non of this HAS to be in the world, but simultaneously including it doesn’t break anything either.

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But you already said it exists so it has to be there and the only way for trans people to identify with Star Wars is for them to be represented as Trans in Star Wars?

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So like I said, where back to “they put something i don’t like in it”

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That's not the argument.

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Because crazy people exist.

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Fixed it for ya.

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That is actually debatable, and you know it.

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they exist in the same sense the character exists in world.

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Wrong. This isn't true for everything. And if someone says, "I need to see myself represented in all of the art I consume," then that's actually a huge problem - it's not because they want representation, it's because they want confirmation. They are trying to find validation - and they want to make sure that they are manifesting reality for OTHER People. They want art to be a complete reflection of the world to confirm their identity.

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Idk white people seem to really like white protagonists. do white oriole need to manifest their reality.

On a base level everyone relates more to people who look like them.

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They want the idea of "Trans," to be like the idea of "good" and "Evil," like a basic understanding of reality.

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I agree they want it to be a basic level of understanding.

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This is the problem. Representation is a false presentation of what they want. Art is not a place to find validation or confirmation. SOME art may be, yes, not ALL art.

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Art is a great place to find validation.

But also who decides which art is a place for it?

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I don't watch horror movies because I identify with the characters, they are usually idiots - and the usual response is "Well if I were in that situation I would do this or that." That's part of the fun of horror movies. ANd it's not driven by sex, religion, orientation, etc.

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You have the media literally of a toddler or someone with a head injury if you’ve missed sexual and religious overtones in horror movies.

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I don't watch Step Brothers or Ace Ventura because I saw myself in Brennan or Dale or Ace Ventura. That's not why it's funny either. It has nothing to do with them being straight or white.

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Would you watch step brothers if they were gay?

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So most humans go through trans identity crises?

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Read that sentence again.

I didnt say they go through things most humans go through. I said go through most things humans go through. So all the things that the human population experience here and there are likely present in Star Wars humans. a few are probably gay. a few are probably schizophrenic A few are bigots.

There is likely cancer. There is likely colds. There are likely different kinds of music and people likely have preferences.

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So Jews can't identify with Star Wars, by your description?

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I am jewish and I absolutely love jewish characters in shows. If everyone in star wars was a blonde haired blue eyed space space aryan i’d maybe have a few questions.

You can put aside cultural elements in a world where your culture doesn’t exist but physiologically we’re connect more with people of our own race. thats not even a conscious thing. and it doesn’t mean you can’t like shows with people that don’t look like you.

Also, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher have a jewish parent. ethnically were represented.

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But you already said it exists so it has to be there and the only way for trans people to identify with Star Wars is for them to be represented as Trans in Star Wars?

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You’re right. Nothing HAS to be. the world doesn’t exist there are no rules. the only conversations is should it be and why is it.

And i never said that’s the only way for Trans people to identify with SW. I said that people LIKE seeing people that look like them.

That’s generally true.

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I agree they want it to be a basic level of understanding.

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And there it is.

So, something that is unproven, un-scientific, is questionable morally at best to a large portion of the population, is a political lightning rod and is itself a debate...

It's necessary to be in Star Wars and other cultural properties to embed the idea in culture. To change people's minds. To cement it as reality? The only connection to representation is to make sure that other people believe it exists too?

And really, because this is Star Wars, to change how kids think?

It has nothing to do with making Star Wars a better story, nothing to do really with making the other person feel "included," it's only about other people's beliefs and impacting those?