re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers

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Finn was a red herring for Rey being the true protagonist. And I really don't see why it's so unbelievable that a single Stormtrooper abandoned his post after having to massacre an innocent village. It definitely makes up for one of the biggest frick ups in the prequels by making the Stormtroopers clones. I liked Finn's character and have no issue with any of his actions in the movie. He's certainly not worse than Qui Gon or adult Anakin.

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Of all the characters you pick to shite on in the prequels, you decide to pick one of the best ones in Qui Gon. Sigh. Let me rattle off some characters that are far worse:

Jar Jar
Boss Nass
Watto
The double-headed race announcer
All of Anakin's kid friends
Padme
Jake Lloyd
General Grevious
All of the Trade Federation characters


And if Finn is the "worst" character in TFA then he's probably one of the best "Worst" characters in a movie I've ever seen.

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Just like Han Solo blew up the Star Killer in TFA

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That was Poe.

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Han Solo is the real hero. Everyone else is a sideshow

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Okay let's say that Han does blow up the second Death Star but Luke does not turn his father. Vader and Palpatine wind up escaping. Cool you blew up their ship again, but you are right back where you were at the end of A New Hope, except you don't have that Hope anymore.

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Of all the characters you pick to shite on in the prequels, you decide to pick one of the best ones in Qui Gon. Sigh. Let me rattle off some characters that are far worse:

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Here's the difference between Qui Gon and the characters you listed: he's supposed to be the protagonist. Yes, those characters you listed are awful, but most can be removed from the plot as a whole and it's fine. Qui Gon is just a drunk who refuses to listen to anyone. He steals, gambles, and it's inplied he fricks Anakin's mother. He is utterly despicable and an idiot. I couldn't imagine what Obi Wan was thinking when he had to be his pupil for 8 years. Worst possible master you could ask for.

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It perfectly reestablished the franchise, and that's all it needed to do

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I can't think of a film that has more exactly met my expectations than this movie.

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i suppose you don't go see many movies with super low expectations like you had for this movie, then

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Qui Gon is just a drunk who refuses to listen to anyone.

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Well that's just plain incorrect so not a good start for you.

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He steals,

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What exactly did he steal?

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gambles,

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Out of necessity and duty, so I'm not sure what your point was here.

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and it's inplied he fricks Anakin's mother.

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Lol no it's not. Being friendly with someone is not the same as knocking boots with them. Poe was friendlier with Finn than Qui Gon was with Shmi or whatever her name was.

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He is utterly despicable and an idiot.

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For doing his duty? Yeah okay. Is he a bit of a renegade? Sure. But every Jedi Master has a different style.

It seems that you are trying to use your solipsism to make Star Wars what you want it to be or how you imagined it to be, rather than what is. Which is fine, but stop passing your delusions on as fact and reality.

We just don't need all of the exposition about the force again. It would be redundant. You want to watch Luke give Rey the whole Yoda spill again?

I saw the movie this morning and couldn't wait to finally get into these threads. I like you SFP but damn, we get it. Your excessive nut dragging through all of these threads is a little much.

Of course the movie had some problems. We don't need you to obsessively point every one of them out. We know what they are.

I'm a vetted, true, hard core Star Wars fan and also typically pretty hard on most movies but I enjoyed the pure shite out of this movie. It was fantastic and was everything I wanted it to be. 32 years was a long time to wait and you should pipe down a little and let people enjoy this.

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Well that's just plain incorrect so not a good start for you.

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Name one time he doesn't blindly dismiss another person's opinion. Seriously, name one. As far as traits for a character to have, that is way high on the worst. It's one thing if it's Frank Drebin, but you're telling me that he's supposed to be a wise master? Then I say you've lost your fricking mind.

At least half of his dialog is blindly disagreeing with everyone, and the other half is putting people in what he feels is their place. He is a dog shite character.

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What exactly does he steal?

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The multi million credit sub from the Gungans. He uses Jedi mind tricks to convince them to give it to him, and attempts to do the same with Watto.

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Out of necessity and duty, so I'm not sure what your point was here.

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If he thought for a second, he could have paid a smuggler plenty of fricking credits to get them all to Coruscant. Seriously millions and millions of credits to get them there due to the Queen's importance. Or hell, make a collect pay phone call to the Jedi Order to pick their asses up. He gambles like an idiot because that's what he's into, and using a 10 year old boy's life at that.

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Lol no it's not. Being friendly with someone is not the same as knocking boots with them. Poe was friendlier with Finn than Qui Gon was with Shmi or whatever her name was.

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A guy who fricks someone's mother and then pretty much abducts her son is not the type to be friendly to a woman. He was as friendly as he needed to be to exploit her.

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For doing his duty? Yeah okay. Is he a bit of a renegade? Sure. But every Jedi Master has a different style.

It seems that you are trying to use your solipsism to make Star Wars what you want it to be or how you imagined it to be, rather than what is. Which is fine, but stop passing your delusions on as fact and reality.

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He constantly risks everyone else's lives and refuses to listen to reason. Anyone else's point of view is not welcome in his world if it disagrees with his own. Qui Gon is worse than Jar Jar Binks. At least I can ignore him.

Did anybody else not like how it was the quirky minoriteam multicultural crew taking on the mean white guys?

Maybe jj Abrams wants me to check my privilege

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just don't need all of the exposition about the force again. It would be redundant. You want to watch Luke give Rey the whole Yoda spill again?

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Not necessarily. Do we know everything about the Force? I don't think so. Don't complicate it to the point where it refutes what Yoda says, but there's a lot more to it. The film was highly creative in the uses of the Force, and it will require further explanation.

There is a real world aspect of the Force that I think should be touched up on, and it is Chakras. It goes hand in hand with the Force. This is what you focus both Kylo and Rey's training on in the next film, with Rey being towards the light and Kylo towards the dark end of Chakras. Here is another series that pulled it off perfectly and how they should proceed with it: Chakras