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re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:11 am to Antpile Tea Bagger
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:11 am to Antpile Tea Bagger
Pretty cool theory and easily believable...
I wouldn't exactly call Jakku a safe planet... and Luke was left with his aunt and uncle along with Obi-won protecting him from the shadows. Unless that's what Lor San Tekka was doing on Jakku in the first place (Luke trusted him enough to give him part of the map right?)
Luke would be a total dick to leave his child on a planet all by herself. I mean we all know he's a whiny bitch but I didn't think he was an a-hole too.
I think there's also a possibility that Rey could be Kylo Ren's sister (Han Solo and Leia's daughter)... but more likely that she's Luke's daughter.
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Leaves her on a safe planet like he was left as a child.
I wouldn't exactly call Jakku a safe planet... and Luke was left with his aunt and uncle along with Obi-won protecting him from the shadows. Unless that's what Lor San Tekka was doing on Jakku in the first place (Luke trusted him enough to give him part of the map right?)
Luke would be a total dick to leave his child on a planet all by herself. I mean we all know he's a whiny bitch but I didn't think he was an a-hole too.
I think there's also a possibility that Rey could be Kylo Ren's sister (Han Solo and Leia's daughter)... but more likely that she's Luke's daughter.
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Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:11 am to Rhames
Except he was going to take her to Snoke when she was captured, not to mention he was pretty surprised she had force abilities.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:14 am to VaBamaMan
quote:There's nothing to explain. The statement is true.
Solos son is little bitch and a shitty Villian
Read the last 20 pages. I don't have the energy to explain this shite anymore.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:15 am to terd ferguson
I think it just says lor found the map not that Luke gave it to him.
And the problem I have with the Lor watching over registor theory is this. He is living in a community so to speak that is willing to die to protect him. Rey is alone and struggling. Kind of doing a crappy job of looking over her.
And the problem I have with the Lor watching over registor theory is this. He is living in a community so to speak that is willing to die to protect him. Rey is alone and struggling. Kind of doing a crappy job of looking over her.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:16 am to terd ferguson
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Luke trusted him enough to give him part of the map right
They made it seem like it was very hard for him to find that part of the map, which lead me to believe Luke didn't just give it to him. Who knows though
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:17 am to Rhames
One. Does he know it's her at that point?
Two. How do you know he was going to take her to snoke? We don't. She is gone.
He tells in her fight he can teach her the ways of the force. Not snoke
Two. How do you know he was going to take her to snoke? We don't. She is gone.
He tells in her fight he can teach her the ways of the force. Not snoke
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 9:30 am
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:22 am to Rhames
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Kylo Ren makes the only sense as to who left her out of the characters we know.
So Ren killed all the Jedi disciples while Luke was off-planet. If Rey is Luke's daughter then maybe she was there when it happened but he couldn't bring himself to kill her so he dumped her on Jakku instead? But she probably would have recognized him when he removed his helmet during their lightsaber battle right?
Unless maybe Luke returned, found the Jedi disciples had been slaughtered but Rey was still alive... so he dropped her off on Jakku while he went in search of the 1st Jedi Temple?
But as I'm typing this I'm definitely leaning less toward Rey possibly being Han and Leia's daughter. They kept Kylo Ren around until they realized he was being pulled in by the dark side at which time they sent him to Luke for training. I doubt they'd go through all the trouble to save their son and then just abandon their daughter.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:27 am to terd ferguson
I think ren may have swiped her mind or something is messing with her memory.
I could be wrong but I just don't think who ever left her on jakku had her best interest in mind
I could be wrong but I just don't think who ever left her on jakku had her best interest in mind
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 9:29 am
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:29 am to terd ferguson
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But as I'm typing this I'm definitely leaning less toward Rey possibly being Han and Leia's daughter.
I'll tell you now that she is not Han and Leia's daughter.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:30 am to pvilleguru
Yeah. Not saying it is impossible but pretty sure she is Luke's.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:31 am to Rhames
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One. Does he know it's her?
I mean, I would think he would be able to sense his cousin, if he knew she was force sensitive when he left her on Jakku.
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Two how do you know he was going to take her to snoke? We don't. She is gone.
He went back to go get her when Snoke told him to bring her to him. When she was gone, he was quite upset. She was his ticket to finding Luke and getting back in good graces with Snoke. Yes, he could have ultimately not brought her, but nothing in the movie would lead you to believe that, and it is just making up a theory to help defend a position.
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He tells in her fight he can teach her the ways of the force. Not snoke
I mean, that is fairly common place in this world. Every villain is looking for their new apprentice to help take over their Master. Vader did it, Dooku did it, Palpatine did it.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 9:34 am
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:37 am to GoCrazyAuburn
So wouldn't your last point help point to the theory he didn't plan on taking her to snoke. He planned on taking her to train her then possibly kill snoke and Luke.
Also Vader didn't sense Luke was his son when he blew up the death star just that "the force is strong with this one"
We don't know kylos inner thoughts. Maybe he does recognize her and we just don't know.
The line he drops "don't be scared I feel it to" to her is weird and I don't think we know the exact meaning of it yet.
And as for "making up a theory to defend a position "
Isn't that what we are all doing by speculating?
Also Vader didn't sense Luke was his son when he blew up the death star just that "the force is strong with this one"
We don't know kylos inner thoughts. Maybe he does recognize her and we just don't know.
The line he drops "don't be scared I feel it to" to her is weird and I don't think we know the exact meaning of it yet.
And as for "making up a theory to defend a position "
Isn't that what we are all doing by speculating?
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 9:41 am
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:46 am to Rhames
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So wouldn't your last point help point to the theory he didn't plan on taking her to snoke. He planned on taking her to train her then possibly kill snoke and Luke.
I'd put this as an inconsistency in the movie. If that was his plan, he wouldn't have told Snoke she was force sensitive. It also may have just crossed his mind later, who know. Regardless, there is nothing to lead you to believe he wasn't going to bring her to Snoke.
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Also Vader didn't sense Luke was his son when he blew up the death star just that "the force is strong with this one"
Vader also never met his son, so how could he know it was him? By your theory, Ren would have known Rey and sensed her force ability.
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We don't know kylos inner thoughts. Maybe he does recognize her and we just don't know.
Okay, but then you are making a huge theory based on massive assumptions on things you admit you don't know, and frankly has quite a few holes.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:52 am to GoCrazyAuburn
There are holes in every theory as to how she got there. To me the ones in the idea that kylo left her are easier to flll than the others.
And they all have assumptions or guesses as to why that is what or could have happened
There is a big reason why kylo ren was pretty much the most used figure in her flashback/flashforward. Maybe it was her starting to remember what happened or something else entirely
To me he is the only one that makes sense as to who left her on jakku when it comes to characters we already know.
And they all have assumptions or guesses as to why that is what or could have happened
There is a big reason why kylo ren was pretty much the most used figure in her flashback/flashforward. Maybe it was her starting to remember what happened or something else entirely
To me he is the only one that makes sense as to who left her on jakku when it comes to characters we already know.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 9:56 am
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:54 am to beatbammer
quote:Yes. This is why Han mentions "hyperspace" and "light speed" as if they are two different things.
Back in the early 1980's they made a Dune movie and those ships traveled by "folding" space (which always sounded to me like a form of hyperspace travel). In those movies, when the Navigators "folded" space, the ships just disappeared from where they were at and appeared at their destination. No movement, no velocity.
Folding space has been in several movies, and is based on theoretical science. You're basically manipulating space itself rather than traveling through it at velocity, at which no one would ever be able to go very far.
Star Trek solves this problem with "warp speed" which by factors of 1-9, is a gradual, exponential increase upon light speed.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:00 am to Rhames
Kylo has 0 self control. He would have freaked the frick out if it was the same girl he left.
Plus, the ship that left her was built more like a small freighter than FO transporter.
Plus, the ship that left her was built more like a small freighter than FO transporter.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:01 am to blueboy
Also may be nothing but the guy you see kylo kill in the flashback is listed as "member of Knights of ren"
Maybe it's a mistake. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe that guy was about to kill Rey and that is why ren stepped in.
Maybe it's a mistake. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe that guy was about to kill Rey and that is why ren stepped in.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:05 am to Rhames
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Also may be nothing but the guy you see kylo kill in the flashback is listed as "member of Knights of ren"
What guy? the one in the asian style hat? Where is he listed as that? I thought he was just a member of the new jedi temple. Would be very interesting if he was a Knight of Ren.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:10 am to GoCrazyAuburn
I'll do some digging. It was on IMDB and I read a few articles about it. The whole flashback seen went throw many phases during production. At work so be patient lol.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:16 am to Rhames
LINK
So it isn't for sure just someone saying it looked like a guy who was credited as being a member of the Knights of ren
I'm sure the articles were using this as there bases and the guy from MSW talks about it on his podcast.
So it isn't for sure just someone saying it looked like a guy who was credited as being a member of the Knights of ren
I'm sure the articles were using this as there bases and the guy from MSW talks about it on his podcast.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 10:20 am
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