re: Star Wars: TFA -Official Discussion Thread - Spoilers

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finn was even more unbearable the 2nd time. god i hate that character 

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I felt like Boyega finally got a feel for the character in the third act. As I said earlier. He was appreciably better.

His first few scenes were horrendous. When he pulls Poe into the hallway to tell him what's happening...good grief that was bad. I get Finn doesnt know what he is really doing, and that Poe is supposed to be the eternal optimist, but the dialogue and acting right there was atrocious, imo.

Boyega finally started to find Finn during the scenes at Maz's castle. The only really bad scenes after that were seeing Poe again, and when they run into Phasma. I thought he was fantastic when fighting Driver.

Boyega having to find the character was a beautiful simile to the character itself. We watched him grow as an actor, as we watched the character grow into who he is. Boyega also may have struggled early because of the direction given. The character doesn't truly know who he was, only had fear, mixed with some courage, and a sense of right and wrong. Makes acting hard when those are the only character traits you're given.

I also agree completely on the first act. I watched the first act online, and was feeling somewhat let down. But I loved the movie after finally seeing it in theaters. I thought overall, it hit every note it needed to.

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i respected rey, kylo and han solo a lot more the 2nd time 

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I felt like Ford had a similar arc as Boyega. Like Han was an old suit that didn't quite fit right for a while. He was incredible once they landed on Starkiller. His scenes with Driver were so strong, Driver's acting actually somewhat distracted me from the moment.

Ridley was awesome. She had some rough moments. But she came alive in this film.

Driver was as expected. He was probably the strongest actor in his role from start to finish. His worst acting was on the bridge with Han, and that's saying something. He was only distracting because of how good Ford was right there, and there is no shame in being out acted by Harrison Ford.

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driver had some hard inflections that really come off well under the helmet and come off poorly without it. projecting emotions through the mask is a welcome addition to the vader mythos (b/c vader was typically just menacing and overbearing)

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Absolutely. I thought the same. Which I think was by design.

Beyond his worship of Vader. He wears the mask because it makes him sound more menacing, gives him gravitas and a more fearsome persona. Which in his mind equals respect. Without it he sounded like a young man who has no clue who he truly was. Combined with everything else regarding the character, and it really draws Kylo out in a way we wouldn't see if he were all mask or no mask.

Plus, removing it for Rey really showed his vanity. He became a horny teenage boy for a moment, while convincing himself it would make her trusting. Really liked that scene, a lot of interesting dynamics weaved together in layers.

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What are you talking about? Pretty sure the music is "han and the princess". Which would mean it's han and leias daughter. Han left her not knowing she was pregnant.

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Pretty sure that's not the case. It's implied that Ben's turn to the Dark Side split up their marriage, and Rey most certainly was born before then. Plus Leia would act much differently around her than she did in the film if she were Leia's long lost daughter.

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The first time Leia sees ray she walks up and embraced her. 

Embraced her over comforting Chewbacca, who just lost his best friend.

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Oh, there is no doubt Han and Leia know who she is. But, Leia poignantly says to Han, "Letting Ben go train with Luke was the moment I lost him, and you."

Do you really think the woman who said that would let her daughter grow up on Jakku, alone?

Because if she recognized her as you said, she would know her to be her daughter, and would have known where she was the whole time.

But if it is Luke's daughter, she would react the same way. I know I would with my nieces. Chewie has lived for hundreds of years and seen many friends die. But Rey is suddenly in turmoil, and her niece.

Also, she wouldn't have gone to get her because it would have been against Luke's wishes. At the age she is left on Jakku, she is old enough for those who knew her as a child to see the resemblance as an adult.

edit: Nm didn't hear the song correctly forget my music point

Rey was taken, unconscious, to starkiller by Ren.

Then Leia shows up.

Rey returns with Chewbacca after starkiller battle.

I was wrong, thought it was luke and leia theme. Think I was wrong.

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Well said 

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Thanks! I've watched the first act online, but the whole movie only once. I'm really surprised, and quite lucky, with much I was able to catch, absorb, and grasp with only one real viewing.

This movie is really well layered. It's fast paced, and at times characters seem thin. But there is depth there, and it's beautifully done, imo. Like the part of that scene where he removes his mask. Little things convey so much in this movie.

I'm going to watch it again, but in IMAX after I get home. Hoping I catch even more of the layers I'm sure I missed.

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I was wrong, thought it was luke and leia theme. Think I was wrong.

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You're may be partially right. Officially it's a new song, with some elements of Rey's theme mixed in. But he samples so much from the OT that you could easily be right.

I was impressed with how well the new and old scores were weaved together. Another great score from Mr Williams.

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The first time Leia sees ray she walks up and embraced her.

Embraced her over comforting Chewbacca, who just lost his best friend.

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That is not how a mother would behave; it is how an aunt would. I'm sure she knows who she is, but she is not her long lost daughter. A mother would go nuts on seeing her daughter return. Leia knew that Rey was going to confront her destiny and her father. Her actions towards her were appropriate. Her natural reaction is mutual comfort and support, which is how an aunt should act towards her niece.