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blueboy
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re: Star Trek: Picard Season 1 * Spoiler Thread*
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Star Trek TNG never really showed everyday life. Hell, did we ever see a toilet in the old Star Trek shows? Star Trek TNG was a very sanitized environment.

One of the nerd critics pointed out that TV was said to be an extinct form of entertainment in TNG. It's confirmed that Data actually says this in the episode in which the 21st century people were unfrozen from cryo-sleep. The country singer wants to watch TV and Data tells him that TV hasn't existed since the 21st century.

No, it just seemed like a clumsy, ill-informed way to establish the parallels to current western society while having Picard virtue signal about refugees.
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Just like Discovery, this is Star Trek, made by people who don't like Star Trek
The one I heard was that it's Star Trek made for people who don't like Star Trek, by people who don't know Star Trek. I'd add "and would rather be doing something else." but it's totally accurate.


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Star Trek TNG never really showed everyday life. Hell, did we ever see a toilet in the old Star Trek shows? Star Trek TNG was a very sanitized environment.


I would argue that episodes like "Data's Day", Lower Decks" "A Fist Full of Datas" were all episodes that heavily incorporated everyday life to make a good story.


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Liked it but have a lot of questions about the Mars attack and why the Federation would be so cold to the idea of Romulan rescue.


It's an interesting question, but it's kind of one they've asked before.

In TNG Picard and Co. had a chance to destroy the Borg via virus but didn't and I think there characters on the show that were angery that they chose not to.

In DS9 they could've let the Changelings die out and many in Star Fleet did want to but they ultimately gave them the cure.

I think it was touched on in other responses, but they've done well to have the debates about letting an enemy die when given the opportunity but the Federation - and in particular the show's protagonist captain - chooses the merciful route.

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The Best Definition I've always enjoyed is based on the interaction between Quark and Garak while trying "Root Beer" and comparing it to the Federation:


Rootbeer and the Federation


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I'm pretty sure that scene is where I learned what the word insidious meant and that it could be applied in situations that aren't necessarily negative.


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The Critical Drinker Reviews

I’m pretty much just watching these. So much better than the actual show.


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He also noticed the Irish Romulan chick.


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Multiple times in ST we hear that TV is no longer a thing.
Yet Picard retconned that.


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I would argue that episodes like "Data's Day", Lower Decks" "A Fist Full of Datas" were all episodes that heavily incorporated everyday life to make a good story.



They showed quite a bit of everyday, non-Starfleet life. Like when Beverly visited her Nana's home:



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theGarnetWay
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No, it just seemed like a clumsy, ill-informed way to establish the parallels to current western society while having Picard virtue signal about refugees.


At what point since the creation of Picard as a character do you think he wouldn't have been pro-refugee and would have fought to save as many people as he could from a planet that's about to be destroyed?


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blueboy
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It has nothing to do with his views of refugees. It's a stupid 21st century TV style pushy interview on a medium that is indistinguishable from current times and that we were told no longer existed.

There are a lot of tech elements in this show that have no place in Star Trek, like the gadgets controlled by holograms, or the Bourne Identity-style fight scenes. These writers - are hacks.

And the fact that Picard would empathize with the general concept of refugees doesn't make this particular plot any less a bit of 21st century immigration propaganda. They already said they would be doing this, so it's not a conspiracy theory.


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It's a stupid 21st century TV style pushy interview on a medium that is indistinguishable from current times and that we were told no longer existed.


Well no shite. If you were looking for an exact duplicate of a TV show that was made decades ago of course you're going to be disappointed. Of course its shot in a modern style, what did you really expect?

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or the Bourne Identity-style fight scenes. These writers - are hacks.


That has more to do with budgeting and practical effects. She was a fighting android. Would you have preferred her to keep doing that stupid double fist move to the back that was in every single series?





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And the fact that Picard would empathize with the general concept of refugees doesn't make this particular plot any less a bit of 21st century immigration propaganda. They already said they would be doing this, so it's not a conspiracy theory.



If this had come out a few years ago before all the SJW as we know it had become a thing you would have enjoyed it just fine.

I guarantee you went into it looking for something to be angry about. There was nothing they could do for you to enjoy it.

It's not just the 21st century TV style has changed,you have as well. You have decided to watch the show through your own political lens and are angry about it. If you had watched any of the original shows through the lens you use now you would've hated it as well.
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If this had come out a few years ago before all the SJW as we know it had become a thing you would have enjoyed it just fine.

It did. It was called Star Trek: Insurrection. Starfleet forces refugees to leave their adopted planet because they want the natural resources. Picard says no, as usual.

Nobody cared about the politics.


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It did. It was called Star Trek: Insurrection. Starfleet forces refugees to leave their adopted planet because they want the natural resources. Picard says no, as usual.

Nobody cared about the politics.


Exactly. And I mentioned in this thread that Picard has faced the question of allowing to enemy to be wiped out when he could have returned Hugh to the Borg with a virus.

In DS9 Star Fleet could have let the Founders die out but chose to save them instead.


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Of course its shot in a modern style
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That has more to do with budgeting and practical effects
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If this had come out a few years ago before all the SJW as we know it had become a thing you would have enjoyed it just fine.

This came out because of the SJW movement, not coincidentally during it. That's the problem.

Sir Patrick Stewart Says New ‘Star Trek’ Series Will Take On Trump, Brexit

Again, when you bring up classic trek, you are disagreeing with the producers and lead actor from this show.


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This came out because of the SJW movement, not coincidentally during it. That's the problem.

Sir Patrick Stewart Says New ‘Star Trek’ Series Will Take On Trump, Brexit

Again, when you bring up classic trek, you are disagreeing with the producers and lead actor from this show.


Yes. You've posted that link many times.

Star Trek has always been political and reflected many political issues of the day that it was shot in. Just because an actor made it explicit this time around has you all kinds of twisted.


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You've posted that link many times.
Twice, and you apparently have yet to read it.

Do you want me to post the article in which Stewart and others say it's not like classic Trek, especially politically?
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all kinds of twisted.
It is you who are twisted, by what you perceive to be the twistage of others. You have become your own imagined enemy.



theGarnetWay
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Jesus? Is this what you're worried about? So he says the show is going to be grittier and that he is personally anti-Brexit, anti-Trump, and pro-refugee. How has that bothered you? And how is that terribly different from the Picard character anyway?

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The new show is different from its predecessor in nearly every respect — texture, tone, format, production value, even the likelihood of characters dropping an f-bomb. That’s all by design. Stewart’s design.


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Stewart, also an exec producer on “Picard,” insists, “We are remaining very faithful to Gene Roddenberry’s notion of what the future might be like.” But rigid adherence to that notion is clearly not what he’s here for.

“In a way, the world of ‘Next Generation’ had been too perfect and too protected,” he says. “It was the Enterprise. It was a safe world of respect and communication and care and, sometimes, fun.” In “Picard,” the Federation — a union of planets bonded by shared democratic values — has taken an isolationist turn.
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blueboy
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worried
I'm not worried about anything. It's just made for a shitty show that isn't Star Trek.


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as someone who never really watched TNG, i am enjoying Picard


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