re: 'Solo' Box Office Watch

18-30 year old men are by far the largest audience for opening night/weekend releases. Even assuming you were correct on that point (you aren't) it doesn't help your argument.

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You think those are equal draws to Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, and Mark Hammill in a Star Wars film?

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Why did you pick them? Rogue One had no one a lesser-known cast.

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Because his point was that Solo featured big stars, which it didn't.

And as I said before, the lack of stars was only a portion of the lack of interest in Solo. Even with no stars, Rogue One benefited from riding the coat tales of the first new Star Wars film in a decade (AND that Star Wars film was favorably received).

We're four deep into a series that has religiously consisted of trilogies. This is uncharted territory and putting your hopes in supporting character actors isn't a sure bet.

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No doubt. But they didn't open on the same weekend. And again, nothing is in the way of Solo this weekend.

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That rate typically stays consistent across most runs.

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What other target demo does Deadpool have?

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You know that the average age for Deadpool is mid 30s, right?

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I listen to people. this is what they say. over and over again. I didn't watch solo because I didn't want to. i wasn't withholding as part of some boycott, but they are, and as hardcore as they love star wars, they're boycotting it with the same intensity. take a spin around youtube. they all say the same thing. they didn't care that it sucked or had identity politics. They didn't like being vilified for not liking it.

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I'm in this boat. In addition, I didn't like the identity politics, but that didn't ruin the movie. It just made it even worse.

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You know that the average age for Deadpool is mid 30s, right?

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I really don’t think the average guy in their 40s and 50s cares all that much about Deadpool. It’s almost certainly in the 20s

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Clark and Glover are TV stars. Clark's big movie was Terminator Genisys, which broke even.

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She's been in some chick flicks, too. We can acknowledge reality; women aren't big box office draws. She's a non-factor. Just a name to recognize. Glover is mostly the same. But he's way more popular with the younger generation and one of the big ones this movie was going after. I wouldn't call him a total non-draw here.

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i cared, and it just turned me off of star wars. i'm not boycotting. they can't rekindle that connection, but these super fans, they didn't like it but they'd go see the next one and the next one and the next one; however, Disney smeared them to discredit the bad word of mouth, and that they're not going to overlook. they're going to boycott until KK is fired and after solo bombed they're even more energized to boycott IX.

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I haven't looked very hard so I may be wrong but I haven't seen a large scale organized boycott of any sort that could really be deemed responsible. My perception is it is more about millions of individuals feeling personally dissatisfied with the way the characters they loved as children were treated in TLJ.

While I write this I do have some uncertainty because this represents my own feelings - and when you write about other people and attribute to them your own feelings you are surely vulnerable to being simply mistaken. In reading the back and forth between a couple of posters here it seems to me there are people struggling to create distinctions that are pretty hard to determine without a lot of survey data to parse out the rationales for people who did and didn't go to Solo and for people who were variably pleased and displeased with TLJ for whatever combination of reasons.

At the risk of again projecting my own opinion on a group of other people, my guess is people are reflexively resistant to being lumped in with political motives that they do not wish to either support or publicly adopt.

Two things that do seem reasonably clear are
1) the Star Wars franchise has diluted their ability to throw a mediocre product on the screen (like TFA) and simply print money. The box office returns for the last two films are substantially below what comparable franchises today bank.
2) there do seem to be groups of older fans who strongly supported Star Wars products who are no longer choosing to do so automatically. You can see this on movie review sites, box office returns, and the often mocked toy sales industry that Star Wars lived to enable.

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they're all bigger draws with general audiences than Harrison ford.

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You’re showing your hand with that remark. Now you’re just making stuff up to try to prove a point.

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You’re showing your hand with that remark. Now you’re just making stuff up to try to prove a point.

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Outside of TFA and BR2049, two franchise films, what has HF opened with this big draw of his recently?

Age of Adaline
Ender's Game
Paranoia
42
Cowboys & Aliens
Morning Glory
Extraordinary Measures
Crossing Over

The dude's 76 and with his recent track record, I don't think it's a huge stretch to say his name on its own is not a huge box office draw anymore.

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