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re: So this avatar movie
Posted on 11/10/09 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/10/09 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
Inception looks about 10 times better than this as far as upcoming sci-fi movies go IMO.
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Posted on 11/10/09 at 1:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Costner went there for like six hours or however long that movie was
you can't go anywhere with that
the key is to focus on you doing boring crap in the middle of nowhere for the first few hours
Posted on 11/10/09 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and from a thematic standpoint, what more can you do with these movies? human/american/white guy goes to kill natives who are in the way of progress. while there, he falls in love with their lifestyle (and usually one of them) and then revolts against progress/humanity/america/white people
Yes you can. While everything has basically done before, symbolism can be blended into a way it never has before on film. You've just got mix the right amount of messages, love, war, retribution, and other symbols.
Also I think from the trailers that there is really only one "bad" guy in the film, and although he may represent some of the dark aspects of human nature, I seriously doubt Cameron is going to completely make the human spirit look evil. I doubt the other humans in the film will share the opinions of the corrupt general (or whoever the hell he is).
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you can't go anywhere with that
"The Chosen One" structure has been done to death, but despite that, the tale can always be told differently and is still one of the most beloved story structures for sci fi and fantasy tales. If they can come up with dozens and dozens of various tales like these, then they can certainly go somewhere with this story.
This post was edited on 11/10/09 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 11/10/09 at 1:49 pm to OMLandshark
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Agreed. This has been a great year for the Sci-Fi genre. District 9 and Star Trek, were great films,
I wouldn't consider either of those "great" sci-fi films.
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and if this is as good as it says it will be, then this will be one of the greatest years for the genre.
Hold on now, let's not take it that far. Sci-fi, being one of the original genres, has had plenty of great years. Even if this movie was very very good, I wouldn't make that claim
Posted on 11/10/09 at 1:52 pm to TulaneTigerFan
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Inception looks about 10 times better than this as far as upcoming sci-fi movies go IMO.
I'm looking forward to this one and The Road.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 2:16 pm to OMLandshark
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Yes you can. While everything has basically done before, symbolism can be blended into a way it never has before on film. You've just got mix the right amount of messages, love, war, retribution, and other symbols.
Also I think from the trailers that there is really only one "bad" guy in the film, and although he may represent some of the dark aspects of human nature, I seriously doubt Cameron is going to completely make the human spirit look evil. I think the other humans in the film will share the opinions of the corrupt general (or whoever the hell he is).
I completely agree that there is very little "new" in terms of story telling. I agree that every story has been told and that it depends completely on HOW you do it.
At the same time, I am tired of hearing that America sucks, Western civilization sucks, etc. and if that is all the story is (which it looks like) then yes it's a tired story.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 2:43 pm to Freauxzen
Meh. We're going to have to agree to disagree on the current state of Science Fiction cinema.
For example, someone cited "Minority Report". Phillip K. Dick must be turning over in his grave over how they've been butchering his work lately.
For example, someone cited "Minority Report". Phillip K. Dick must be turning over in his grave over how they've been butchering his work lately.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 2:58 pm to Sophandros
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For example, someone cited "Minority Report". Phillip K. Dick must be turning over in his grave over how they've been butchering his work lately.
please put your money where your mouth is and tell us what books you've read that are so much better than movies?
Vernon Vigne?
Orson Scott Card?
F Paul Wilson?
seriously..you want to cite 'good sci fi' so put some examples down and dont pull up the tired cliche that is philip dick/blade runner/minority report.
i hate to agree with sfp but he's got a point. it hasn't even been a year since that other god-awful animated movie where the 'bad' general and humans were blowing up the aliens that lived in the plants. so bad i cant even remember the name of it..but same story...protaganist injuried while attacking natives..falls in love..fights AGAINST the evil general/military complex..and the obligatory "ancient ones" awakening at the right moment to help the poor outnumbered aliens throw off the chains of their humans oppressors.
big
fricking
yawn.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 3:19 pm to CAD703X
Here it is..god..movie so awful I couldn't remember its name
LINK
Yep, about sums it up.
eta
Is that from the godawful "Terra" or "Avatar". I can't tell.
LINK
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In the animated Terra, residents of a peaceful country village look up into the night sky and notice a peculiar star pattern. What could it mean? … The worst comes true: The object is an alien ship, planning to launch an attack and claim the pastoral world and its abundant resources for a race of extraterrestrials who have destroyed their home world with war, greed and pollution.
Yep, about sums it up.
eta
Is that from the godawful "Terra" or "Avatar". I can't tell.
This post was edited on 11/10/09 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 11/10/09 at 3:22 pm to CAD703X
They likely ripped off Avatar though, since Avatar has been in pre-production since the beginning of the decade. HOW they did Terra was terrible. Avatar may not have the same fate.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 3:34 pm to OMLandshark
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symbolism can be blended into a way it never has before on film
symbolism is a bunch of bullshite, especially when you're dealing with a half-real, half-cartoon, sci fi movie
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You've just got mix the right amount of messages, love, war, retribution, and other symbols.
there aren't many symbols you can really add
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Also I think from the trailers that there is really only one "bad" guy in the film
progress/humanity is the "bad guy"
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I doubt the other humans in the film will share the opinions of the corrupt general
omg he may have a merry band of sidekicks?!?!?!?!
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"The Chosen One" structure has been done to death, but despite that, the tale can always be told differently
because the chosen one is nothing more than a character, not an entire plot line
Posted on 11/10/09 at 3:35 pm to CAD703X
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Is that from the godawful "Terra" or "Avatar". I can't tell.
avatar is actually a complete ripoff of some sci fi novel
Posted on 11/10/09 at 3:36 pm to OMLandshark
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They likely ripped off Avatar though, since Avatar has been in pre-production since the beginning of the decade.
has avatar been in pre-production since about 1950?
LINK
Posted on 11/10/09 at 4:09 pm to Sophandros
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For example, someone cited "Minority Report". Phillip K. Dick must be turning over in his grave over how they've been butchering his work lately.
Me
I'd agree. But it was a good movie nonetheless. Maybe not an exact replica of the book, but that's not the only way to measure a good film.
Blade Runner was also pretty bad if you only consider the source. As a movie, one of the best sci fi films of all-time.
The Godfather was also a lame novel, but great movie.
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Meh. We're going to have to agree to disagree on the current state of Science Fiction cinema.
What would make it better? Have you seen everything mentioned?
I mean if you are into "heady" science fiction, Children of Men was pretty damn good.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 4:25 pm to Freauxzen
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Ferngully
Y'all say that like it's a bad thing.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 4:44 pm to OMLandshark
It has been a pretty decent decade for sci fi on the small screen.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 6:36 pm to As RXd
I do not know but I will heavilly rely on reviews and word of mouth before I see the blue people.
Posted on 11/10/09 at 6:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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avatar is actually a complete ripoff of some sci fi novel
Most movies are a ripoff of some novel
Posted on 11/10/09 at 7:36 pm to SG_Geaux
but most don't proclaim themselves to be a completely original story while doing so
Posted on 11/11/09 at 8:41 am to fischd1
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I do not know but I will heavilly rely on reviews and word of mouth before I see the blue people.
i gotta admit, the 'giant blue guy scene' in the trailer gave me flashbacks back to the watchmen movie.
i wonder if we will be treated to a great big blue penis in avatar as well?
eta before you watchmen fanboys snarl; i'm kidding..i read the comic back back when it came out long before half of you nitwits were even born so dont start. ironically, i won a copy of the comic from KLSU
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