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re: So I just finished my first watch through of Sopranos.. and I don’t know what to think
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:00 am to Feral
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:00 am to Feral
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My question has always been this: who had Tony whacked?
Was it Butch tying up loose ends from the war after selling out Phil to Jersey?
Patsy had every reason to have it done.
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Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:10 am to VermilionTiger
I recently finished the series for the first time.
I think Tony’s alive. He had no beef with New York anymore at the end except for Phil who got taken out.
I do, however, think he probably does get arrested. The heat on him by the feds seemed to be at an all-time high in the finale, and I think it eventually catches up to him.
As for my interpretation of the final scene - I see it as as long as he is free and out there, he will always be paranoid and looking over his shoulder, as was shown everytime that bell on the restaurant door rang.
I think Tony’s alive. He had no beef with New York anymore at the end except for Phil who got taken out.
I do, however, think he probably does get arrested. The heat on him by the feds seemed to be at an all-time high in the finale, and I think it eventually catches up to him.
As for my interpretation of the final scene - I see it as as long as he is free and out there, he will always be paranoid and looking over his shoulder, as was shown everytime that bell on the restaurant door rang.
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 8:11 am
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:23 am to diddlydawg7
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Everyone says “you’d have to watch it when it originally came out” but that’s only the case because at the time it was the greatest show of all time and since then has been surpassed by Breaking Bad, The Wire, GOT, and BCS.
I don't think any of those shows are or were as good as Sopranos.
Any episode of Breaking Bad that featured too much of Walt's family was a tedious snoozer. I could only get through maybe the first four episodes or whatever of The Wire. I thought that show was boring as shite. As far as Game of Thrones is concerned, that could've been the GOAT but the last season tanked that possibility. And I don't know what "BCS" is. I can't always speak acronym.
Out of all those shows, it seems to me Sopranos is the only one that began perfect, stayed pretty much perfect and ended perfect.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:30 am to Pandy Fackler
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I could only get through maybe the first four episodes or whatever of The Wire. I thought that show was boring as shite.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:33 am to lsutigersFTW
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No beef with New York
Except for whacking their boss
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:40 am to Dire Wolf
It was likely Paulie. Paulie was a survivor. Late in the show, maybe the final season he made reference to how he barely survived a gang war in the late 70's or some such shite. He knew what was coming and he knew the likely outcome. He knew better than all of them that New York doesn't lose.
I think Paulie could read the landscape in ways the others couldn't (there weren't many old timer, heavy hitters left in Jersey. They were all young) and when the dust settled, he did his part for New York and then went about his existence.
Minus the suits and Cadillacs, Paulie lived a fairly austere lifestyle. The dude knew how to keep his head down. I think he kept a very small apartment and actually slept on a cot.
Oh and also, he and Tony really didn't like each other and that slow burned during the last few seasons of the show.
I think Paulie could read the landscape in ways the others couldn't (there weren't many old timer, heavy hitters left in Jersey. They were all young) and when the dust settled, he did his part for New York and then went about his existence.
Minus the suits and Cadillacs, Paulie lived a fairly austere lifestyle. The dude knew how to keep his head down. I think he kept a very small apartment and actually slept on a cot.
Oh and also, he and Tony really didn't like each other and that slow burned during the last few seasons of the show.
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 8:47 am
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:42 am to NIH
Butchie had enough of Phil’s shite. Phil threatened to kill him on the phone when he got out of hiding.
At the sit down, the associates said they wouldn’t give up Phil’s location but they gave Tony their blessing and the green light. They knew that if Phil was found what would happen and seemed to not only make their peace with it, but be OK with it.
At the sit down, the associates said they wouldn’t give up Phil’s location but they gave Tony their blessing and the green light. They knew that if Phil was found what would happen and seemed to not only make their peace with it, but be OK with it.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:43 am to lsutigersFTW
You’re mistaking Butchie’s personal motivations for the fact that New York cannot let a glorified crew take out their boss without consequence.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 8:48 am to NIH
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You’re mistaking Butchie’s personal motivations for the fact that New York cannot let a glorified crew take out their boss without consequence.
And there you have it.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:04 am to Pandy Fackler
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Minus the suits and Cadillacs, Paulie lived a fairly austere lifestyle. The dude knew how to keep his head down. I think he kept a very small apartment and actually slept on a cot.
Because he wasn’t a great earner
There was no one more self conscious than Pauly. He would not voluntarily live in a shite spot just to do it. He had no kids.
Likely, the majority of his cash flow went towards keeping up with the rest of the captains appearance wise
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:07 am to NIH
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You’re mistaking Butchie’s personal motivations for the fact that New York cannot let a glorified crew take out their boss without consequence.
Yep it looks bad
Tony’s crew was just a pimple on the arse for those guys. They were good earners (maybe great), but not worth the trouble. Carmine felt that way. Johnny felt that way. Phil felt that way
Glorified crew
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:07 am to NIH
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You’re mistaking Butchie’s personal motivations for the fact that New York cannot let a glorified crew take out their boss without consequence.
But that happens all the time in the mob. The boss gets whacked and people turn a blind eye if they are still making money. Tony made money for New York. I don't think they kill him for emotional reasons. That's what Phil was about and it got him killed.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:10 am to NIH
quote:This is exactly it. I never understood the argument of "Tony couldn't have been whacked because who would've ordered the hit?"
You’re mistaking Butchie’s personal motivations for the fact that New York cannot let a glorified crew take out their boss without consequence.
Butchie and NY wanted to get rid of Philly because he was a pain in the arse, irrational, and a weak leader. They couldn't do it themselves so they had Tony do their dirty work. Once Tony and that little pigmie thing in Jersey had killed the boss of the Lupertazzi Family boss, there was no way they could let him live. It was a setup from the start. Tony was never a master strategist. He was a street guy with a lot of luck and prodigious charisma. Butchie hated Tony. He was the first to bring up whacking him when Phil was totally opposed to it at first.
The plan never changed--they cut the head off and dealt with what was left. The just did it without Phil.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:18 am to lsutigersFTW
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I recently finished the series for the first time.
I think Tony’s alive. He had no beef with New York anymore at the end except for Phil who got taken out.
I do, however, think he probably does get arrested. The heat on him by the feds seemed to be at an all-time high in the finale, and I think it eventually catches up to him.
As for my interpretation of the final scene - I see it as as long as he is free and out there, he will always be paranoid and looking over his shoulder, as was shown everytime that bell on the restaurant door rang.
This is honestly what I had thought was gonna happen on my first watch, but the guy who earlier posted that it was through Tony's POV and that Tony was whacked made a very convincing post. I can honestly see it being either or which is why I kind of liked the ending.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 9:22 am to Jamohn
The other thing that's rarely brought up is that even if Tony had the blessing of NY he had Phil killed in front of his wife and grandkid in the car. The car could have rolled into traffic if it hadn't crushed his head.
A couple of layers here
A. Doing this in front of his family isn't cool even by Mob standards.
B. The child could have been hurt, also looked down upon.
C. The head crushing was an embarrassment so no open casket.
Any slight chance Tony had died there and by risking the lives of Phil's family it was open season to blow Tony's brains out all over AJ's onion rings. If the Phil killing had gone smoother then Tony is likely popped in the parking lot at Satriales.
A couple of layers here
A. Doing this in front of his family isn't cool even by Mob standards.
B. The child could have been hurt, also looked down upon.
C. The head crushing was an embarrassment so no open casket.
Any slight chance Tony had died there and by risking the lives of Phil's family it was open season to blow Tony's brains out all over AJ's onion rings. If the Phil killing had gone smoother then Tony is likely popped in the parking lot at Satriales.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 10:00 am to VermilionTiger
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After watching The Wire and then Sopranos over the last 6 months, I don’t know how I’m going to top those two shows
Mad Men
Posted on 1/9/22 at 10:31 am to Pandy Fackler
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could only get through maybe the first four episodes or whatever of The Wire. I thought that show was boring as shite.
If all you watched was four episodes you have no business commenting on it.
This post was edited on 1/9/22 at 10:44 am
Posted on 1/9/22 at 10:37 am to Pandy Fackler
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I could only get through maybe the first four episodes or whatever of The Wire. I thought that show was boring as shite.
If you made it to the chess scene (in Episode 3) and you weren’t sold I’m questioning your taste in TV.
Posted on 1/9/22 at 10:43 am to diddlydawg7
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Sopranos is solid 8.5/10 but not as special as people make it out to be when comparing to other shows.
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Everyone says “you’d have to watch it when it originally came out” but that’s only the case because at the time it was the greatest show of all time and since then has been surpassed by Breaking Bad, The Wire, GOT, and BCS. They think it’s about the context of the time period but they’re really just admitting that it’s nostalgia boosting their rating.
What nonsense. The Sopranos is a great show, not my personal favorite but a great show none the less that stands up incredibly well. The benefit of seeing it as it aired is you don’t have to hear the over praise which leads to backlash, which it sounds like you experiencing (as are the 2 Wire haters in this thread).
Breaking Bad was a great show but too depressing imo and a notch below the others. GOT lafter the last 2 seasons is way way behind
Posted on 1/9/22 at 10:48 am to BluegrassBelle
What streaming service has the Americans?
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