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Posted on 1/20/21 at 7:43 pm to CocomoLSU
Very highly presumptuous of the OP to think just because Red was a criminal it means that he has no memory of anything.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 8:05 pm to Napoleon
Someone should create an alternate movie analysis on youtube showing why Andy was actually the villain, using the same announcer like they did with the Karate Kid version.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 10:59 pm to CocomoLSU
What? It was 1965. You don’t think they had maps then? Hell, that’s all they had. LOL
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:21 am to CocomoLSU
Thanks Coco, I just finished my rewatch 
Also that black rock was hard as hell to find, it really didn’t stand out underneath the other rocks. Andy could’ve made it a little easier.
I will say the story of Brooks was by far the saddest part of the movie. rip
Also that black rock was hard as hell to find, it really didn’t stand out underneath the other rocks. Andy could’ve made it a little easier.
I will say the story of Brooks was by far the saddest part of the movie. rip
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:50 am to GeauxTigerTM
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but would have never, in a million years, found that god damned rock! He gave him crazy directions with no names
Andy: It's in a Hayfield in Buxton.
Red: Well there are a lot of Hayfields in Buxton.
Andy: Yeah but this is under a tree like something in a Robert Frost poem.
Red: Andy I play checkers not chess.
Andy: Under that tree you'll find a rock that has no earthly business being in that field.
Red: And a total fricking mystery.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:30 am to CocomoLSU
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But what if he didn't remember it? Would he have just worked at the grocery store and stayed in that little town the rest of his life
It's pretty strongly implied that he might have, but seeing "brooks was here" and contemplating suicide inspired him to go find out if Andy was full of shite.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:40 am to CocomoLSU
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Although who knows how easy it was in 1965 to find a detailed map of Mexico.
You think maps are a new thing??
Posted on 1/21/21 at 8:49 am to CocomoLSU
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Although who knows how easy it was in 1965 to find a detailed map of Mexico.
I found one from Rand McNally dated 1924, that is pretty darn detailed and has it spelled as Sihuatanejo.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:00 am to CocomoLSU
Remember when Red received a post card with a postmark from Fort Hancock, TX and looked it up on a map?
I would imagine that map probably showed Zihuatanejo.
I would imagine that Red looked at that map on several occasions after that imagining his friend being down in Mexico.
I would imagine that map probably showed Zihuatanejo.
I would imagine that Red looked at that map on several occasions after that imagining his friend being down in Mexico.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 9:25 am to CocomoLSU
They were in prison and had A LOT of free time (so to speak) together. Presumably, he mentioned it over and over again to the point where there was no way he could forget.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:02 am to Dirk Dawgler
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Very highly presumptuous of the OP to think just because Red was a criminal it means that he has no memory of anything.
What the frick is this bullshite?
Nowhere was that even remotely said. quote:
What? It was 1965. You don’t think they had maps then? Hell, that’s all they had. LOL
I know they had maps. I said I’m not sure how easy that was to come by. Outside of maybe the local library, I’m not sure some rural town in Maine had tons of maps of Mexico lying around.
I have no idea why people in here seem to think that my comments mean that I don’t know cartography is a thing that has been around for a while.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 11:05 am
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:39 am to Honest Tune
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The actual tree got blasted by lightning a few years ago.
How do you know that? You probably were just watching the Natural.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I never understood why Andy goes to the warden who he knows is a crook with Tommy's story instead of writing the legislature or ACLU?
This and him finding the hidden rock are easily my biggest gripes with the movie, which is still obviously an all time great.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:41 pm to MMauler
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They were in prison and had A LOT of free time (so to speak) together. Presumably, he mentioned it over and over again to the point where there was no way he could forget.
Except, that's clearly not what happened in the movie. This is the day of his escape later that night. At this point Andy has decided he's going to try his escape, and it's the last time he'll talk to Red. This is clearly the first time he's mentioned any of this to Red. Shortly after this, if I'm not mistaken, Red is at dinner with the fellas telling them that Andy had been acting squirrelly and he was worried he was going to kill himself in his cell that night. Andy wasn't there because he was still in the warden's office doing the books. Andy leaves directly from there to his cell.
This conversation is literally the last words Andy tells Red in prison and the first time he's told him anything about Zihuatanejo or the field.
LINK
Honestly...given what Red suggests, that he thought it was Andy alluding to killing himself later, I'm surprised he remembered any of those details.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:51 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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This conversation is literally the last words Andy tells Red in prison and the first time he's told him anything about Zihuatanejo or the field.
Honestly...given what Red suggests, that he thought it was Andy alluding to killing himself later, I'm surprised he remembered any of those details.
Stress tends to engrave memories very deeply. This is where Red understands that Andy could be suicidal. Andy's behavior shocks the hell out of Red. That entire conversation would be burned into Red's memory. Sort of like remembering someone's last words before you watch them die.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:54 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Fewer Kilometers
Did you not see what I was replying to? Someone suggested they'd been talking about it for years, which is obviously not true based on the actual movie scene that I just posted.
Any thoughts on that point?
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:55 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Did you not see what I was replying to? Someone suggested they'd been talking about it for years, which is obviously not true based on the actual movie scene that I just posted.
Any thoughts on that point?
You're correct on that point. It was all one big conversation that Andy had to dump on Red at once.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:25 pm to CocomoLSU
Being that folding paper maps were THE way to navigate and almost every gas station would have sold them, it is clear how easily they were to come by. How old are you sport? 20?
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:53 pm to Dirk Dawgler
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Being that folding paper maps were THE way to navigate and almost every gas station would have sold them, it is clear how easily they were to come by. How old are you sport? 20?
As Coco mentioned earlier to defend himself, I don't think he meant it was hard to get any map back then. It may not have been easy to find a map explaining how to get to a town 3,500 miles away.
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