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re: Rian “Star Wars Ruiner” Johnson Responds To Audience Critics, Explains His Philosophy
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:08 pm to Walking the Earth
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:08 pm to Walking the Earth
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so, yeah, 35 years later I was kind of looking for a very powerful Jedi Master
Whose fault is that?
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:08 pm to Josh Fenderman
TIL it's not a character flaw if you just almost impulsively murder a member of your family. 
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:09 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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And then he just sat on his hands and watched the universe burn.
The shame was just too much for him...
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:09 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Whose fault is that?
Rian Johnson's for destroying an established character.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:09 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Whose fault is that?
Rian Johnson
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:10 pm to Walking the Earth
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TIL it's not a character flaw if you just almost impulsively murder a member of your family
In their sleep at that lol
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:10 pm to Mystery
quote:Totally fits his character.
The shame was just too much for him...
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:10 pm to DelU249
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finn and an enlisted deckhand fly to the casino planet how? oh and good thing, the professional thief is also a pilot
Not to mention it's well established in TFA that Finn CAN NOT fly. This movie just gave JJ Abrams, George Lucas, and Lawrence Kasdan a massive middle finger in everything they wrote and stood for. The fact that this movie is making me feel bad for Jorge is really saying something.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:12 pm to Walking the Earth
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TIL it's not a character flaw if you just almost impulsively murder a member of your family
I said it's not a character flaw?
I'm the one saying Luke isn't flawless
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:12 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
You can't expect Luke to be Jesus Christ.
Being an ineffective Jedi that almost murdered his nephew because he got bad vibes is a logical extension of where we left the character in Return of the Jedi.
Being an ineffective Jedi that almost murdered his nephew because he got bad vibes is a logical extension of where we left the character in Return of the Jedi.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:13 pm to Walking the Earth
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Being an ineffective Jedi that almost murdered his nephew because he got bad vibes is a logical extension of where we left the character in Return of the Jedi.
And then let his dark side nephew run to the First Order and say "ah frick it, I'm out."
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:14 pm to AA7
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Rian Johnson
We can put a lot of things on him from this movie.
You guys building Luke into something he's not and him not giving it to you is not on him.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:15 pm to Josh Fenderman
quote:Rian Johnson built Luke into something that he's not. Or wasn't.
You guys building Luke into something he's not and him not giving it to you is not on him.
You have to admit that it's a bit of a departure from what we know about Luke. It's like he developed CTE somewhere along the road.
This post was edited on 12/19/17 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:18 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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You have to admit that it's a bit of a departure from what we know about Luke.
I'm sorry. I can't. Luke was a whiny baby that had a small amount of training and last I saw him he barely got out of that throne room.
He tried his best to rebuild. It just didn't work out for him.
Of course, you can always go read the books if you like those versions of him better.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:23 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
I can get down with Luke having a moment of unbelievable weakness
I didn’t even need to know why, Kylo is evil as frick.
I just hate the explicitly narrated flashbacks. Again, we have to be told everything. In empire strikes back that scene would’ve been the cave scene or rey would have had a vision where’s she’s Kylo and that happens
And she is skeptical of Luke and everything he’s teaching her (even though he’s not teaching her) making me question if she will join Kylo when he extends his hand to her.
But no, the audience is stupid and why we’re at it let’s explain in great detail finn’s disappointing role in the last movie since we can’t assume the audience bothered to watch that before watching the sequel
I mean do we really need a recap as in depth as the one?
In empire (which this movie is attempting to copy in some ways) we have one reference to the events in Star Wars
“That’s 2 you owe me”
Now imagine Rian Johnson writing that scene in empire strikes back”
“Even though I had my reward I came back and cleared the ships on your tail so you could blow up the Death Star before it blew up the planet on which the rebel base was located. Then I risked my life and rescued you from freezing to death on the planet Hoth after you escaped from a yeti. That’s 2 you owe me”
And of course we’d need a scene where Luke tells them about the yeti and Obi Wan telling him to find yoda
God I hate this fricking movie so much
I didn’t even need to know why, Kylo is evil as frick.
I just hate the explicitly narrated flashbacks. Again, we have to be told everything. In empire strikes back that scene would’ve been the cave scene or rey would have had a vision where’s she’s Kylo and that happens
And she is skeptical of Luke and everything he’s teaching her (even though he’s not teaching her
) making me question if she will join Kylo when he extends his hand to her. But no, the audience is stupid and why we’re at it let’s explain in great detail finn’s disappointing role in the last movie since we can’t assume the audience bothered to watch that before watching the sequel
I mean do we really need a recap as in depth as the one?
In empire (which this movie is attempting to copy in some ways) we have one reference to the events in Star Wars
“That’s 2 you owe me”
Now imagine Rian Johnson writing that scene in empire strikes back”
“Even though I had my reward I came back and cleared the ships on your tail so you could blow up the Death Star before it blew up the planet on which the rebel base was located. Then I risked my life and rescued you from freezing to death on the planet Hoth after you escaped from a yeti. That’s 2 you owe me”
And of course we’d need a scene where Luke tells them about the yeti and Obi Wan telling him to find yoda
God I hate this fricking movie so much
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:27 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Luke was a whiny baby that had a small amount of training and last I saw him he barely got out of that throne room
What does being whiny and untrained have to do with him giving up on his nephew? He saw maybe the most evil person in the universe turn back to the light side, and I'm supposed to believe he devises a plan to kill his nephew because he saw darkness in him?
You keep saying that we think Luke was perfect, and no one here has argued that he is. We are arguing that scene is completely inconsistent with the most consistent trait Luke showed.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:28 pm to Josh Fenderman
You can't even be taken serious anymore.
Abandons his training on dagobah, ignores Obi and Yoda who know he is no match for Vader, to go save Han and Leia.
Breaks into the Hutt palace to save them again.
Fights Vadar over threatening his sister.
Then TLJ comes around and he just is like frick those two guys. Their son has some bad dreams.
Abandons his training on dagobah, ignores Obi and Yoda who know he is no match for Vader, to go save Han and Leia.
Breaks into the Hutt palace to save them again.
Fights Vadar over threatening his sister.
Then TLJ comes around and he just is like frick those two guys. Their son has some bad dreams.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:35 pm to AA7
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You keep saying that we think Luke was perfect, and no one here has argued that he is. We are arguing that scene is completely inconsistent with the most consistent trait Luke showed.
Because if he's the greatest jedi ever to live he wouldn't even consider that. That's what it sounds like you are saying.
I can absolutely believe that someone will have a moment of weakness and reap the consequences of it.
Even the scene earlier I mentioned, he embraced the dark side (if only for a moment, it was longer than when he thought of killing Ren) to beat Vader.
I just don't see how this is so farfetched and out of character for anyone to say definitively what Luke would turn into.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:40 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Because if he's the greatest jedi ever to live he wouldn't even consider that.
Nobody is saying this shite. Nobody.
Luke as a person is not what they made him. Powers or not.
Would not think about killing his nephew. (this does not even come close to the Vadar scene when he is being attacked and his sister threatened)
Would not abandon all hope.
Would not abandon his sister when somebody shows up saying she is being attacked.
It just does not make any sense.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:40 pm to Josh Fenderman
Okay, so let's say he does embrace the same darkness that he fears in Ben Solo and for a moment prepares to kill him. How do you explain him running off and spending years in hiding? Oh and when he is finally found, he is told that hope is pretty much lost and his sister needs him, and his response is basically "That sucks. Good luck with that."
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