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Posted on 12/17/15 at 6:15 am to athenslife101
Watched ROTJ last night as well. To me the movie holds up pretty well, and I actually think that if Wookies had been used instead of Ewoks, it would have taken a little something away from the movie. Yes, they might still be primitive, but they would be strong. With the Ewoks, they are like the rebellion, at a disadvantage due to numbers and weaponry, but to an even greater scale with their size and lack of technology.
I still think Lucas is a dumbass for replacing Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen as the Force ghost at the end. First of all, this basically says Anakin died before he became Vader and completely neglects the return to goodness and his redemption at the end. Secondly, if I was Luke I would be like "Who the frick are you? I know Ben and I know Yoda, but I've never seen you before."
The one question that came to my mind watching the fight on Endor - how do stone arrowheads penetrate a stormtrooper's body armor?
Also something I had never noticed before, when the camera zooms in on Han and Luke as they are being transported to the Sarlaac, you can see a faint green edging around them from the green screen/matte blend.
I still think Lucas is a dumbass for replacing Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen as the Force ghost at the end. First of all, this basically says Anakin died before he became Vader and completely neglects the return to goodness and his redemption at the end. Secondly, if I was Luke I would be like "Who the frick are you? I know Ben and I know Yoda, but I've never seen you before."
The one question that came to my mind watching the fight on Endor - how do stone arrowheads penetrate a stormtrooper's body armor?
Also something I had never noticed before, when the camera zooms in on Han and Luke as they are being transported to the Sarlaac, you can see a faint green edging around them from the green screen/matte blend.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 7:30 am to PJinAtl
I hated that the Gugans were added and the celebrations at the end seem too hokey. Then Hayden makes little sense, why not put Ewan in as well, Lucas?
"Hey Anakin good to see, don't worry about killing me, I kind of made you Vader anyway, but killing those younglins was messed up"
"Hey Anakin good to see, don't worry about killing me, I kind of made you Vader anyway, but killing those younglins was messed up"
Posted on 12/17/15 at 7:39 am to Napoleon
I watched the original ending last night on YouTube, it was completely different. Different music, no celebrations around the galaxy, no Hayden. Lucas really changed it up.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 7:44 am to Napoleon
Vader being there contradicts what we find out at the end of RotS. Obi Wan had to train to become a force ghost. So how the hell is Vader able to be a force ghost at the end?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:12 am to PJinAtl
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Watched ROTJ last night as well. To me the movie holds up pretty well, and I actually think that if Wookies had been used instead of Ewoks, it would have taken a little something away from the movie. Yes, they might still be primitive, but they would be strong. With the Ewoks, they are like the rebellion, at a disadvantage due to numbers and weaponry, but to an even greater scale with their size and lack of technology.
The problem with this though is it makes the Empire look fricking pathetic and not a force to be reckoned with.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:18 am to OMLandshark
Watching it makes me hate the prequels even more. Leia talks like she remembers her mother.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:21 am to lagallifrey
I noticed that as well. Padme dies giving birth in ROTS, yet somehow Leia remembers her while Luke can't.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:33 am to lagallifrey
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Watching it makes me hate the prequels even more. Leia talks like she remembers her mother.
She thinks her mother is Bail Organa's wife, she was a baby when adopted, I doubt she was told she was adopted.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:41 am to craigbiggio
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Vader being there contradicts what we find out at the end of RotS. Obi Wan had to train to become a force ghost. So how the hell is Vader able to be a force ghost at the end?
Because George Lucas is a dick, more or less.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 8:59 am to Napoleon
If she's talking about her adopted mother, it makes that scene stupid. Luke is asking their birth mother and he reacts like she has some insight into their common birth mother. Lucas screwed this scene up with the prequels.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:04 am to lagallifrey
quote:The are definitely talking about birth mother. Yes, Lucas screwed this up big time - and the explanation is that when the babies are born and handed to her as she names them, Luke's eyes are closed and Leia's are open. Georgie-boy expects us to believe that a Force conscious child can, a few minutes after birth, see her mother (who dies soon after) and know all of these things about her.
If she's talking about her adopted mother, it makes that scene stupid. Luke is asking their birth mother and he reacts like she has some insight into their common birth mother. Lucas screwed this scene up with the prequels.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:22 am to Napoleon
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She thinks her mother is Bail Organa's wife, she was a baby when adopted, I doubt she was told she was adopted.
I'd accept that, but Lucas is still insistent that newborn Leia remembers meeting her mother for a fraction of a second. It's retarded.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:27 am to lagallifrey
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If she's talking about her adopted mother, it makes that scene stupid. Luke is asking their birth mother and he reacts like she has some insight into their common birth mother. Lucas screwed this scene up with the prequels.
I think he fricked it up more in Return of the Jedi than anything else. If I was writing the prequels, I'd certainly have Anakin kill Padme in the final movie, similar in a way Michael Corleone hits Kay over the abortion. Anakin isn't the type to give up on a hunt, and so long as Padme is out there, then her children would not be safe. I'd have her reluctantly go to Anakin leaving her children behind that Anakin doesn't know about, and Anakin would kill her for what he sees a betrayal. The fact that Leia would ever be around her birth mother from what we knew about her and Vader's character is retarded.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 9:50 am to OMLandshark
The fact that they left luke in the same place where anakin grew is really stupid as well. I could see padme going into hiding with leia before being hunted down and killed by Vader either out of anger, or as part of his journey to the dark side, ordered by the emperor.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 10:32 am to lagallifrey
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The fact that they left luke in the same place where anakin grew is really stupid as well
Not to mention that they hide Luke at the literal place where his mother is buried. Out of the places in the Galaxy, they put him in the single place Vader will most likely return. Vader gets nostalgic one day and wishes to pay respect to his mother, then Luke is dead.
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:16 am to OMLandshark
All true.
Back to ROTJ, one thing the prequels did is make the ewoks much more tolerable. They're epic compared to jar jar and he-sa brethren. But yes of course I wish they had been wookies. That was a big missed opportunity. Still enjoy the movie though.
Back to ROTJ, one thing the prequels did is make the ewoks much more tolerable. They're epic compared to jar jar and he-sa brethren. But yes of course I wish they had been wookies. That was a big missed opportunity. Still enjoy the movie though.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:26 am to Napoleon
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She thinks her mother is Bail Organa's wife, she was a baby when adopted, I doubt she was told she was adopted.
Except that her adopted mother, Breha Organa, died during the destruction of Alderaan in ANH. So Leia would have had memories of her way after being a child.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:26 am to OMLandshark
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Out of the places in the Galaxy, they put him in the single place Vader will most likely return.
Or perhaps Obi-Wan knew that it was the only place Darth Vader would never return to. Anakin Skywalker, maybe, but never Darth Vader.
At least I wish it would have been explained that way.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 11:30 am to OMLandshark
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I think he fricked it up more in Return of the Jedi than anything else. If I was writing the prequels, I'd certainly have Anakin kill Padme in the final movie, similar in a way Michael Corleone hits Kay over the abortion
Or have Padme flee at the end of the second film without Anakin knowing she was pregnant. Padme has twins at the beginning of the third film; the Jedi Order hides them from Anakin. Anakin kills Padme at the end of the third film.
But this would require Anakin's turn to being in the second film (which it should have done).
And that would require that Lucas start further in the story at Episode I instead of giving us an entire film that has no relevance on the rest of the story.
Geez, he really screwed up those movies.
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