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re: Regarding Band of Brothers....
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:42 am to lsuroadie
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:42 am to lsuroadie
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this is how I know you've never read one piece of work by Ambrose
Here's my list:
Undaunted Courage - possibly my favorite book of all time
D-Day
Citizen Soldiers
Band of Brothers
Eisenhower: Soldier and President
Ambrose has been shown to have been very loose with the facts regarding his writing of the Eisenhower book. He has lied about the genesis of the project as well as about the access he had to the President.
The president's son even said the following:
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Is it possible that Ambrose met with Eisenhower outside office hours? John Eisenhower told Rives that such meetings never happened: “Oh, God, no. Never. Never. Never.” John Eisenhower, who is now eighty-seven, liked Ambrose, and he recalled, too, Ambrose’s fondness for embellishment and his tendency to sacrifice fact to narrative panache.
After Eisenhower died and the first book came out, Ambrose started putting out more books on the topic:
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Ambrose continued to draw on his supposed Eisenhower interviews in subsequent books, including the two-volume biography, although in the later footnotes the specific dates were replaced with vaguer notations, such as “Interview with DDE.” As the citations grew more nebulous, the range of subjects that the interviews allegedly covered grew wider: the Rosenberg case, Dien Bien Phu, Douglas MacArthur, J.F.K., quitting smoking, the influence of Eisenhower’s mother, Brown v. Board of Education, and so on.
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And I'm sure you are already acquainted with the charges of outright plagiarism which Ambrose faced late in his life.
LINK
Ambrose is a great writer who has done some important work, but he tends to write rah rah hagiographies for an American audience which is long on 'Murica and short on actual introspection.
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Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:44 am to Big Scrub TX
Ambrose will allow "history" to leak into hagiography. He's been shown to be fairly dishonest.
BoB is the the greatest series of television ever made. No question.
But the above has been pretty widely known.
BoB is the the greatest series of television ever made. No question.
But the above has been pretty widely known.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:46 am to WalkingTurtles
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The guys were real American heroes, you're just real American trash.
Good one. You got me.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 10:54 am to WalkingTurtles
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The story moved slow and a lot of the characters were rather dull or predictable.
I agree. I would like it more with some zombies or at least have some F-16s bombing everything.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:12 am to Tigertown in ATL
BTW, cool piece of trivia.
David Webster's memoirs that Ambrose quoted and was accused of plagiarizing (though still unpublished as of the time of Ambrose's Band of Bros book), were finally published in 1994... by LSU press.
David Webster's memoirs that Ambrose quoted and was accused of plagiarizing (though still unpublished as of the time of Ambrose's Band of Bros book), were finally published in 1994... by LSU press.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:19 am to WalkingTurtles
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it ain't the Wire as some would make it out to be.
I'm not sure what you were expecting it to be going in. It's pretty highly regarded as one of the best miniseries ever. It's not a movie. It's not a documentary. It's not really even just a "TV show."
So I'm not sure what you thought it would be, but most of your critiques seem to be completely off-base, and you're comparing it to things that aren't terribly comparable. Now, whether or not you're being genuine or an idiot troll is yet to be determined.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:19 am to WalkingTurtles
Band of Brothers is a cinematic masterpiece and is the measuring stick against which all other war movies are measured (or would be if it weren't a 10 hour mini series).
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 11:21 am
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:19 am to SoFla Tideroller
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But the above has been pretty widely known.
That's what I thought until I was indignantly accused of never having read an Ambrose book.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:27 am to WalkingTurtles
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the character development is meh
How so? It follows young kids (basically) from boot camp through the war, with episodes sort of focused on several of the group here and there.
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the storyline is slow and predictable
At least now I know you're trolling. But I will respond anyway.. Slow and predictable? So it's a story about WWII and the actual soldiers fighting in it, and you don't like it because it's predictable? Do you hate all movies/shows/miniseries based on real life events because you already know how it's gonna go?
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it was cool seeing Schwimmer, his character was great
His character was a real person. An actual a-hole that, on the whole, was necessary to help Easy Company bond and become brothers.
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Idk I just have never liked Damian Lewis or Ron Livingston.
This is waht it boils down to basically...you don't like either of those guys, and they were two of the main guys.
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My point is it's not The Wire as some make it out to be, it's middle of the pack as far as HBO series.
Nobody really compares the two.
And don't get me wrong, I have The Wire as my #1 greatest TV show of all time. I also have Band of Brothers as my #2 miniseries ever (behind Planet Earth).
Oh, and you mentioned Tom Hanks specifically as well. Guess who was behind Band of Brothers...Tom Hanks and Steven fricking Spielberg.
This post was edited on 11/18/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:28 am to LoveThatMoney
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other war movies are measured (or would be if it weren't a 10 hour mini series).
Yeah no. I expect more Saving Private Ryan given whose project it was, but it went the other way. Again it's good television, it's a mix of documentary and entertainment type, but it's not an elite level show. To me again it's right in the middle of HBOs library of shows.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:31 am to CocomoLSU
Yeah but Hanks wasn't in BoB, giving that awesome performance that he gave in SPR. And as far as character development, you didn't really delve into any of the guys.
You didn't see the raw emotions from guys like Hanks, Ribsi, Pepper, Seizmore and Burns. And yeah since Lewis and Livingston were the leads, it really dragged it down for me.
You didn't see the raw emotions from guys like Hanks, Ribsi, Pepper, Seizmore and Burns. And yeah since Lewis and Livingston were the leads, it really dragged it down for me.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:33 am to WalkingTurtles
Once I finish watching Peaky Blinders, I think I'm going to give Band of Brothers a go. I tried a while back but just wasn't caught up by the first episode or two. But I recently read the memoirs of the father of a friend of mine. He was the most decorated officer of the 82nd Airborne. It renewed my interest in WWII and I think would give me a different perspective on the series.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:40 am to Methuselah
ill admit that although it was tremendous and visually amazing to look at it, i was slightly disappointing when watching it all the way through
its still damn good, i give it a B+, i just dont think its the GOAT like everyone on here
im not saying its better by any means, but i dont get all the hate for the Pacific. i liked it a lot
its still damn good, i give it a B+, i just dont think its the GOAT like everyone on here
im not saying its better by any means, but i dont get all the hate for the Pacific. i liked it a lot
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:42 am to lsuroadie
quote:Traditional character development shouldn't have been an issue in BOB. The events and characters were real. The characters began the story already developed with many obvious individual strengths and weaknesses. Over the course of the war their actions in real events displayed the development of their characters. It wasn't make believe with a happy ending or to teach any specific lesson. BOB was simply the story about a group of relatively ordinary men put through a horrible ordeal, how they dealt with the ordeal?
SPR was about baring its characters souls...BOB had to do both...and if you don't see the character development in BOB with the central characters...my god, I cant even fathom...
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:45 am to WalkingTurtles
To me, Band of Brothers is like my go-to slice from my favorite pizza place: Tasty, consistent, brings on good feels, fun to eat, low-maintenance.
Is it a Pan-Roasted Lobster from a Michelin 5-star restaurant in New York City? No.
Is it a Pan-Roasted Lobster from a Michelin 5-star restaurant in New York City? No.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 11:46 am to dallastiger55
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but i dont get all the hate for the Pacific. i liked it a lot
Yeah, The Pacific was awesome. Of course the "companion" book that was written by Ambrose's son was an abortion.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:15 pm to WalkingTurtles
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Yeah no. I expect more Saving Private Ryan given whose project it was, but it went the other way. Again it's good television, it's a mix of documentary and entertainment type, but it's not an elite level show. To me again it's right in the middle of HBOs library of shows.
Great argument. Really stuck it to me there.
It is a show that takes a myriad of characters, has you see the shite they go through to become elite soldiers, has you grow attached to them as they continue to suffer, and has you rejoice with them as they succeed. It is beautifully shot, wonderfully acted, and written extremely well considering the wealth of information upon which they had to draw and widdle down into a digestible format. The battles were of a high production value despite the budget of a TV show and they did a marvelous job of creating a sense of scope and scale.
It is, undoubtedly, one of the greatest shows ever put together, from concept to execution. You're argument of "I expect more Saving Private Ryan" is asinine--Band of Brothers has clear traces of Saving Private Ryan in it, from the style to the direction, despite not being directed by Spielberg, but only produced, and being a long format miniseries rather than a three hour movie.
Your opinion is simply infantile in its construction and seems to be based solely on your need to be contrarian or to dig your heels in because someone disagrees with you.
Provide me some rationale as to your relative hatred for the show, and perhaps I'll concede the point.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:17 pm to LoveThatMoney
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The battles were of a high production value despite the budget of a TV show
meh. The total budget was estimated at like $130 Million for 10 episodes. That's less per minute than a movie, but it was probably a record at the time for TV.
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:18 pm to WalkingTurtles
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Ask Marciano1, I also found There Will Be Blood, aside from the milkshake scene, to be just horribly awful
That's because Paul Thomas Anderson is a fricking hack
Posted on 11/18/15 at 12:19 pm to Big Scrub TX
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meh. The total budget was estimated at like $130 Million for 10 episodes. That's less per minute than a movie, but it was probably a record at the time for TV
Of course it was a record for a TV show at the time. Holy frick, man, it was made 14 fricking years ago.
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