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re: Potter Fans (rank the top 10 wizzards/witches)

Posted on 5/2/11 at 12:09 am to
Posted by TigerTalker142
Lafayette
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 12:09 am to
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master of the Elder Wand


That's the fear not Snape, and Voldemort didn't task Snape with killing Dumbledore he gave that duty to Malfoy. Snape made the unbreakable vow with Malfoy's mom that he would finish the job if Malfoy couldn't, that coupled with the plan made between him and Dumbledore is the reason he finally killed Dumbledore.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 12:16 am to
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That's the fear not Snape, and Voldemort didn't task Snape with killing Dumbledore he gave that duty to Malfoy. Snape made the unbreakable vow with Malfoy's mom that he would finish the job if Malfoy couldn't, that coupled with the plan made between him and Dumbledore is the reason he finally killed Dumbledore.


Nope, Voldemort was counting on Dumbledore killing Draco and then Snape killing Dumbledore. He wanted to secure Hogwarts before taking over the Ministry, and needed Dumbledore dead. He merely tasked Draco with it as punishment to Lucius. Granted the reason Snape killed him was made ahead of time between Dumbledore and Snape, but Voldemort had enough confidence in Snape to kill Dumbledore. Also Snape could fly in the novels, the only other wizard which was capable of that was Voldemort.
Posted by TigerTalker142
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 12:33 am to
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Voldemort was counting on Dumbledore killing Draco and then Snape killing Dumbledore. He wanted to secure Hogwarts before taking over the Ministry, and needed Dumbledore dead. He merely tasked Draco with it as punishment to Lucius. Granted the reason Snape killed him was made ahead of time between Dumbledore and Snape, but Voldemort had enough confidence in Snape to kill Dumbledore. Also Snape could fly in the novels, the only other wizard which was capable of that was Voldemort.


Malfoy was given the task and expected to fail but it was the people who came in through the vanishing cabinet not necessarily Snape who was supposed to finish the task. The unbreakable vow and the plan is the reason Snape does it. It never says in the book Voldemort gave Snape the task to kill Dumbledore, I'm not even sure he fully trusted Snape until after he killed Dumbledore.

I don't remember Snape flying in the books? Is that in 7? Regardless the point I made in my first post is that there are only 3 for sure that we can rank. After they we can only lump everyone together, and while Snape is at the top of that lump we don't know one way to another if he is number 4.
This post was edited on 5/2/11 at 12:34 am
Posted by Bender
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 12:37 am to
I'm pretty sure it was just Voldemort that could fly, and it happened in the beginning of DH.

Just one of the many things the movies fricked up.
Posted by TigerTalker142
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 12:39 am to
I just looked it up. Snape turned into a bat apparently, which means he was an animagus, not that he could fly.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 12:53 am to
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Malfoy was given the task and expected to fail but it was the people who came in through the vanishing cabinet not necessarily Snape who was supposed to finish the task. The unbreakable vow and the plan is the reason Snape does it. It never says in the book Voldemort gave Snape the task to kill Dumbledore, I'm not even sure he fully trusted Snape until after he killed Dumbledo


It's established in the sixth book that Snape had replaced Lucius and Bellatrix as Voldemort's most favored Death Eater. In the Deathly Hallows we find out that Voldemort did indeed instruct Snape to kill Dumbledore if and when Draco failed to do so. So yes regardless of why Snape killed Dumbledore, he had enough faith in him that Snape was capable of killing Dumbledore.
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I don't remember Snape flying in the books? Is that in 7? Regardless the point I made in my first post is that there are only 3 for sure that we can rank. After they we can only lump everyone together, and while Snape is at the top of that lump we don't know one way to another if he is number 4.


Yes it was in the 7th book, but no we can make a safe conclusion that Snape was a more gifted wizard than almost everyone short of Voldemort, Dumbledore, and Grindelwald. Snape was probably the most feared wizard by almost everyone on both sides short of Voldemort and Dumbledore, he was widely regarded as being unmatched in the Dark Arts, it takes 5 people to defeat him in the Deathly Hallows, and made up multiple incarnations of his own. Also his legilmency and occlumency skills made him almost undroppable in a duel.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 12:55 am to
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I just looked it up. Snape turned into a bat apparently, which means he was an animagus, not that he could fly.


Snape was not an animagus as far as we know. He just blasted a hole into the wall, flew through it, and it is said that he glided like a bat, but Snapes batlike appearance is
mentioned multiple times throughout the series.
Posted by TigerTalker142
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 1:05 am to
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"You mean he's dead?" Harry sprinted to the window, ignoring Flitwick's and Sprout's yells of shock at his sudden appearance. "No, he's not dead," said McGonagall bitterly. "Unlike Dumbledore, he was still carrying a wand...and he seems to have learned a few tricks from his master." With a tinge of horror, Harry saw in the distance a huge, batlike shape flying through the darkness toward the perimeter wall.


I assumed that meant he turned into a bat. Maybe he just flew normally? Apparently you have read the books more recently me then me because I don't remember Voldemort giving him the. task. Maybe Snape is the most likely number 4, there still isn't definitive proof in the books that he is only that you can infer he is one of the stronger ones.
Posted by DopeyLemming
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 1:12 am to
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I just looked it up. Snape turned into a bat apparently, which means he was an animagus, not that he could fly.

Snape wasn't an animagus, any competent wizard can transform. Animagus' can do so without a want.

Merlin is mentioned in the books but we have no idea about his overall power. While its a fair argument that Snape might be able to beat either Voldemort or Dumbledore, unforunately the duels never happen.

Dumbledore does admit that Voldemort has powers that he never possessed but Ron says it a couple of times and its a chapter in the 5th Book. Dumbledore is "the only one he(Voldemort) ever feared"
Posted by JombieZombie
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 3:47 am to
Dumbledore never utilized the full power of the Elder Wand.

Voldemort never intended for Snape to kill Dumbledore; there was a pact between Snape and Albus that Snape would carry it out to spare Draco's soul. But it does earn Snape Brownie Points from Voldemort.

Snape isn't an Animagus, but he's a Death Eater and the most experienced in the Dark Arts -- besides Riddle.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 4:22 am to
Dumbledore
Voldermort
Harry Potter
professor McGonnal
Mad Eye
Sirius Black
Kingsley Shcklebolt
Severus Snape
Professor Lupin
Bellatrix Lestrange
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 5:18 am to
You have Harry too high. He beat Voldemort because he had a bit of knowledge that Voldemort did not.

Nobody was afraid of Harry.
Posted by LSUSaintsHornets
Based Pelican
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 5/2/11 at 8:09 am to
1. Voldemort
2. Dumbledore
3. Snape
4. Grindewald
5. Moody

Voldemort number one because dumbledore had the elder wand when they dueled. Snape over grindewald because dumbledore beat him while he had the elder wand.
This post was edited on 5/2/11 at 8:11 am
Posted by LSUSaintsHornets
Based Pelican
Member since Feb 2008
7310 posts
Posted on 5/2/11 at 8:16 am to
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Dumbledore never utilized the full power of the Elder Wand.

When did he say this? When he spoke of it in the dream/dead place/kings crossing he said the only hallow he was fit to use was the elder wand.
Posted by michaelklump
Ontario, Northern USA
Member since Apr 2011
36 posts
Posted on 5/2/11 at 8:40 am to
1. Dumbledore
2. Harry Potter
3. Voldemort
4. Dobby
5. Grindewald
6. Granger
7. Snape
8. Gandolf the White
9. Lupin
10. Ron Weasley (because he's an afterthought anyways)
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 5/2/11 at 8:42 am to
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Voldemort never intended for Snape to kill Dumbledore; there was a pact between Snape and Albus that Snape would carry it out to spare Draco's soul. But it does earn Snape Brownie Points from Voldemort.


Just reread part of the Prince's Tale, and it makes it clear that should Draco fail and kill Dumbledore (which was highly probable) Snape was then intended by Voldemort to kill Dumbledore. Yes Snape killed him because of the pact between him and Voldemort, but Voldemort obviously didn't know this.
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23347 posts
Posted on 5/2/11 at 8:47 am to
Didn't Harry pretty much pwn the shite out of voldemort every time they fought?
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 5/2/11 at 8:57 am to
01. Dumbledore
02. Voldemort
03. Snape
04. Grindelwald
--Power Gap--
05. Nicholas Flamel
06. McGonagall
07. Moody
--Power Gap--
08. Sirius
09. James&Lilly
10. Bellatrix- Was not the strongest. I think she just looked strong because she was bat shite crazy.

*Note* The four founders are probably ranked rather highly, but it is unknown of their exact power. However, it is safe to assume that since they are referred as
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You all know, of course, that Hogwarts was founded over a thousand years ago - the precise date is uncertain - by the four greatest witches and wizards of the age.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:02 am to
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Didn't Harry pretty much pwn the shite out of voldemort every time they fought?


Harry had the luxery of the twin cores, which made almost any curse used against him by Voldemort. If Harry didn't have the twin cores, he would have died much sooner.
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23347 posts
Posted on 5/2/11 at 9:10 am to
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Harry had the luxery of the twin cores, which made almost any curse used against him by Voldemort. If Harry didn't have the twin cores, he would have died much sooner.
Usain Bolt has the luxury of God given speed. If he didn't have that I'd beat him in a foot race.

Harry has scoreboard on Voldemort on multiple encounters.
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