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Peter Jackson trying to negotiate with the Tolkien estate for the Silmarillion
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:35 pm
Came across this on Nerd of the Rings
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PJ in a recent interview about Hunt For Gollum, talking about how they're currently limited to the LOTR appendices for additional movies, and he says that Christopher Tolkien was opposed to any movies. But he says the next generation (now that Christopher has died) is more open to it, and he says they're been negotiating things, and state "The Silmarillion" by name.
That's huge. It goes beyond whether you want them made right now, fearing they would "woke them up". That's always been irrelevant, because the answer had been "no", and it was just not going to happen.
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PJ in a recent interview about Hunt For Gollum, talking about how they're currently limited to the LOTR appendices for additional movies, and he says that Christopher Tolkien was opposed to any movies. But he says the next generation (now that Christopher has died) is more open to it, and he says they're been negotiating things, and state "The Silmarillion" by name.
That's huge. It goes beyond whether you want them made right now, fearing they would "woke them up". That's always been irrelevant, because the answer had been "no", and it was just not going to happen.
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Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:49 pm to Scoob
Please no. I'm sure the money hungry family members won't hold up Christopher's wishes but I don't trust anyone to do The Silmarillion justice, much less Peter Jackson these days.
Just let a good thing lie. Not everything needs to be adapted and even the best adapted version of the Silmarillion would not come across well onto the screen. Some things just need to stay a book.
Just let a good thing lie. Not everything needs to be adapted and even the best adapted version of the Silmarillion would not come across well onto the screen. Some things just need to stay a book.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:57 pm to Scoob
i tried...TRIED to read the silmarillion a a kid.
i gave up probably 2 dozen times. it always seemed like the "for hardcore LOTR lore geeks only" and i could never find the energy to read it.
kinda like Dune. i gave up after the first 3 books. just lost my interest entirely.
i gave up probably 2 dozen times. it always seemed like the "for hardcore LOTR lore geeks only" and i could never find the energy to read it.
kinda like Dune. i gave up after the first 3 books. just lost my interest entirely.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 2:59 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Please no. I'm sure the money hungry family members won't hold up Christopher's wishes but I don't trust anyone to do The Silmarillion justice, much less Peter Jackson these days.
Just let a good thing lie. Not everything needs to be adapted and even the best adapted version of the Silmarillion would not come across well onto the screen. Some things just need to stay a book.
I agree with every single word of this.
If Peter Jackson is bored he can hook up with Brandon Sanderson on a few of his projects. He could milk those the rest of his life.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:07 pm to Scoob
Silmarillion to technical for a movie, pass and move on.
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:07 pm to CAD703X
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tried...TRIED to read the silmarillion a a kid.
i gave up probably 2 dozen times. it always seemed like the "for hardcore LOTR lore geeks only" and i could never find the energy to read it.
kinda like Dune. i gave up after the first 3 books. just lost my interest entirely.
Here is the first video in a series that summarizes The Silmarillion.
I find it helpful.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:10 pm to CAD703X
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kinda like Dune. i gave up after the first 3 books. just lost my interest entirely.
This is where it gets good though.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:21 pm to CAD703X
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i tried...TRIED to read the silmarillion a a kid.
Whoof, I can't imagine trying to read this as a kid. I would have made it about 2 pages. Hell I was a pretty die hard LOTR fan and gave up the first time I tried reading it in my 20's. Wasn't until the second time that I committed to it that I was able to finish. I've read it a few times now and it's one of my favorite books. But you need to love the lore of LOTR to enjoy it, it reads more like the Bible than a standard story.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:22 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:wow.
Wasn't until the second time that I committed to it that I was able to finish. I've read it a few times now and it's one of my favorite books.
shite. y'all gonna end up putting so much shite on my reading list i'm going to die with a stack of unread books on my nightstand
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:50 pm to CAD703X
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CAD703X
Pass and move on, you won't get it anyway.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 4:08 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I don't trust anyone to do The Silmarillion justice, much less Peter Jackson these days
The only saving possibility is that when he was making LotR, he was on record of being extremely intent on honoring Tolkien's vision as closely as he could.
However, that was over 20 years ago, the world is different, and the movie industry is an entirely different thing now.
So yeah, this won't work
Posted on 5/18/26 at 4:22 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:This isn't whether we want them to make one, it's whether they can ever get the rights at all.
Please no. I'm sure the money hungry family members won't hold up Christopher's wishes but I don't trust anyone to do The Silmarillion justice, much less Peter Jackson these days.
I'm separating the two concepts. Like you, I'm leery of how movies are currently being made, and a sucky version would be disappointing.
But, look at PJ's LOTR actual trilogy, or Villeneuve's Dune... those are "done right". And both followed some lesser attempts. We currently aren't able to get "that" version made either, which is what we would all want to see.
Here's my point of view, and it's something Matt comments on in the video: these are great stories, and they're currently unavailable except only in the books. Which, seeing as our society doesn't read a lot, would mean they will fade from the mainstream, and become obscure.
Take Edgar Rice Burroughs, and the Barsoom saga. I read those as a kid from library books and loved them. They had been around forever, Frazetta did some cool fantasy art from them, they were great fun. Some Burroughs stories had been made and had become iconic (Tarzan for example), but they never really touched Barsoom. Disney eventually made a big budget flick and it bombed; marketing is widely blamed because almost everyone who actually saw it, liked it. Marketing wouldn't have been such an issue, if people would have known who/what "John Carter" was.
The Tolkien Middle Earth property is known currently. General public may not know all the non-movie stories, but they're aware of it, know it isn't set in medieval Europe or in the Game of Thrones universe for example. They'd expect Men, Elves, Dwarves (and Hobbits
), in pre-defined roles, opposed by Orcs at the base level, and some super-powerful big bads. They wouldn't expect a Conan type tale, or lots of skin or sex. You wait too long, this stuff fades out of public awareness, and isn't the guaranteed hit it would be currently, even if it's good.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 4:23 pm to Scoob
For PJ to "do this right" he'd probably have to go Mel Gibson and finance it himself and I just don't think he has the juice to do that AND buy the rights.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 4:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
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For PJ to "do this right" he'd probably have to go Mel Gibson and finance it himself and I just don't think he has the juice to do that AND buy the rights
Well Mel is about to get a crap ton more Jesus money with his sequel.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:01 pm to Scoob
Just get it all away from Amazon, please God
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Hadn't thought about Mel Gibson... that's a good idea. Gibson's a good Catholic, as was Tolkien. There are a number of themes that run very deep in Tolkien's works that mesh with Catholicism, to the point that there are multiple commentaries and discussions on religious sites.
For PJ to "do this right" he'd probably have to go Mel Gibson and finance it himself and I just don't think he has the juice to do that AND buy the rights.
Gibson would be the type of guy to recognize and maintain those themes.
Couple that with his eye to film large battles and epic landscapes, and that would be a winner.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:12 pm to Scoob
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Hadn't thought about Mel Gibson... that's a good idea
I wasn't saying Gibson would finance it
I meant do what Mel did on Passion and finance/produce it himself and take all the financial risk, but PJ probably won't want to spend $300M+ to do that (and I don't blame him).
If PJ finances it and/or produces it with a studio they will make him compromise like they did with the Hobbit movies.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:38 pm to Shiftyplus1
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Just get it all away from Amazon, please God
Amazon doesn't have any of the Silmarillion rights.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 6:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Ok, you're purely talking financing.quote:
Hadn't thought about Mel Gibson... that's a good idea
I wasn't saying Gibson would finance it
I meant do what Mel did on Passion and finance/produce it himself and take all the financial risk, but PJ probably won't want to spend $300M+ to do that (and I don't blame him).
If PJ finances it and/or produces it with a studio they will make him compromise like they did with the Hobbit movies.
I thought you meant to collaborate with him, since Gibson is still actively directing and PJ hasn't directed a movie in forever. Kinda like when Lucas and Spielberg worked together. You could have PJ as producer, Gibson as director.
Posted on 5/18/26 at 6:28 pm to JetsetNuggs
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I don't trust anyone to do The Silmarillion justice, much less Peter Jackson these days
The only saving possibility is that when he was making LotR, he was on record of being extremely intent on honoring Tolkien's vision as closely as he could.
However, that was over 20 years ago, the world is different, and the movie industry is an entirely different thing now.
So yeah, this won't work
Did you forget about the Hobbit "trilogy"? He took a big giant crap right on top of Tolkien's vision with that abomination. Someone needs to remake the Hobbit as one or at most two movies so we can ignore the Jackson garbage forever.
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