re: PER Collider: Disney pulling the plug on star wars stand alone projects

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I wouldn't say nonsense, the casting decisions were clearly motivated by identity politics and if you go look at the dvd extras and take a shot every time you hear "diversity" you'll die of alcohol poisoning a few times over

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OK. I see what you mean.

Rey's character is great; horribly misused in the TLJ but great.

Finn's character isn't very good but I feel like Abrams didn't really know how to use him. I feel like he wanted to recapture Solo's resistance to getting involved from a ANH but couldn't pull off the likeability.

Neither really have anything to do with race/gender. Good characters are good characters.

The difference is that plot lines were created in TLJ for the sole reason of pushing a narrative and they were 1) boring and 2) made no sense given the previous motivations of the characters.

It was horrible.

Write great characters and stories and then make them whatever fricking color you want.

It wasn't just Solo, TLJ box office numbers dropped a lot more rapidly than expected. Meaning the reputation of the franchise propped up numbers with presales (and masked a substantial negative fan reaction).

Rotten Tomatoes showed as much. TLJ was treated worlds differently than TFA by core fans and TFA was frankly over-esteemed by many people because they loved the franchise too much to be objective about a functional but not great opening act.

Toy sales and surprisingly bad Blu Ray sales for TLJ show the same thing as the poor Solo box office. These aren't a small number of political activists or angry fan boys. The people who buy movie tickets, blu rays, and toys are nearly all of the people Disney should care about.

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it's not what I want to believe. I don't want to believe anything. I just see it for what it is

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I think a couple of you are too wrapped in your bubble world you don’t even realize it. Most people, including many that are Star Wars fans and not just casual “Miss Susie” have no knowledge of concern for fan boy Disney battle over TLJ so while some of you may have boycotted Solo over it others like me had no interest because I’m tired of seeing the same old crap and basically ruining of the originals.

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and I see marvel having released black panther and infinity wars within this time frame. there was no such fatigue. ant man is coming out. I bet it makes more than solo

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I got Superhero fatigue along time ago I didn’t see Black Panther or Infinity Wars, though i will probably go see AntMan because I did like the first one,

The numbers simply don't support your idea.

Fatigue doesn't cause an immediate significant drop. There was no notion of Star Wars fatigue going into TLJ. It had one of the largest openings ever and then immediately had a significant drop. And people didn't even give Solo a chance which is clearly supported by the fact that it grossed almost half what Rogue One did its opening weekend and has had really no upswing despite predominately positive reviews.

Solo's lack luster sales are the result of TLJ and Disney's response

You can pin point this all the back to 3 things

1. Not having a whole planned out storyline for episodes 7-9. Letting each director make it up as they go was a fricking joke.

2. Katelynn Kennedy having any input

3. Rian Johnson

Yea the standalone are probably Disney’s best SW films, but The Force Awakens was pretty good and laid a perfect foundation for the sequel trilogy. There’s honestly nothing to look forward to with ep9. Nothing of significance has happened with these besides making Luke a pussy and killing him off so soon.

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You guys are in fricking denial.

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At least we are fricking something unlike the incels who boycotted SOLO.

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At least we are fricking something unlike the incels who boycotted SOLO.

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Yes, the only people who decided not to see Solo due to TLJ and Disney were incels - $70 million in losses on the opening weekend completely due to incels.

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Solo's lack luster sales are the result of TLJ and Disney's response

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I partly agree, the Last Jedi wasn’t very good so that definitely hurt but I’m sorry I don’t think anything but a relatively small minority know or care about Disney’s response to the anti SJW fan criticism.

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didn't surprise me one bit. as far as the Disney response, it was trending on social media for weeks, everyone saw the movie and people talked about it. they're not ignorant of the hostility put out by Disney.

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It didn’t surprise you because you are in a bubble
Most people are not on social media following stuff like that I’m sorry. Maybe if the Last Jedi was good and well liked Solo would have done better but I don’t believe it had any as much to do with the Disney antiSJW dispute.

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Yes, the only people who decided not to see Solo due to TLJ and Disney were incels - $70 million in losses on the opening weekend completely due to incels.

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Boycotters are incels. Solo was a hot mess. Marketing sucked. Too much star wars in a short time period. Disney cannabalizing its own properties.

However, the ones who boycotted Solo are incels. I didn't see Solo b.c I was busy and it didn't really look compelling. Plus one of my best friends saw it and said it was meh.

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I think he just came out as a pansexual

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He pretty much provided a great microcosm to the entire issue.

Critics: "The Last Jedi makes little to no sense. Luke Skywalker departs completely from the character established over decades, the antagonist is killed off with no purpose, there is no character development of the protagonist, the final peak violates every established rule of the Star Wars universe, and the supporting characters and plots have no place in the overall arc, are poorly written, and have no established development or motivations"

Disney and Rian Johnson: "You're all just stupid racists"

M/TV Board: "The figures clearly show that the Solo lackluster performance is due to backlash from TLJ and not fatigue or the movie's own merits"

brianwilson: "Yeah, you're all virgins. And racists. Racist virgins. Not like me, a pussy-slaying, inclusive appreciator of all cultures."