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re: Official X-Men: First Class thread
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/5/11 at 11:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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his character seemed a little too powerful, imho
hell, the entire hellfire club was too powerful
As were the Hellfire Club members in the comics.
To the point of the movie though, you had a group of mutants that had obviously worked extensively on mastering their powers taking on a group of kids that have been scared of using their own powers (much less mastering them).
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Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:00 pm to OMLandshark
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How was he wrong in the film? Charles was animate that humanity would side with them if they stopped the war, while Magneto knew that as soon as they stopped Shaw and found out about them that humanity would turn on them and seek their destruction.
that was a single exchange
he also warned mystique about showing her true form in public due to humans' perceptions. he knew what the reactions would be
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It literally takes less than 5 minutes after Shaws death for Magneto to be proven 100% correct.
in the short term, which was obvious
charles is in it for the ong term
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Yeah it was part of the reason, but she didn't have anything against Beast or Charles at the end of the film.
that just further makes it a bunch of drivel
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She is probably frustrated that they couldn't see things from her perspective (as is Magneto at Charles), while Magneto could.
if a few lines about how she should look her real self makes her make that kind of change, then she's a fricking idiot (which destroys any value of her character)
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:01 pm to DanglingFury
Really liked the flick.
I'm not a comic book fanatic (though read some as a kid). Was vaguely familiar with some of the XMen history (more of the guys that I assume will be in 2nd class - Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Jean Grey, Gambit etc.).
-I thought Magneto stole the show. Fassbender is a guy I know but didn't know (an "oh yeah, that guy" type of actor) until this role, where I really feel like he owned it and the movie.
-No real beef with the characters... there was 2 I was wholly unfamiliar with (Azazel and Riptide). Oh and Darwin or whatever, but I'm guessing he was made up just for the movie since he was killed off pretty quickly...
-January Jones isn't a good actress, but she's hot.
Overall, really fun flick, better than I expected (and was expecting it to be very good) with your typical comic book cliches/cheesiness at points.
I'm not a comic book fanatic (though read some as a kid). Was vaguely familiar with some of the XMen history (more of the guys that I assume will be in 2nd class - Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Jean Grey, Gambit etc.).
-I thought Magneto stole the show. Fassbender is a guy I know but didn't know (an "oh yeah, that guy" type of actor) until this role, where I really feel like he owned it and the movie.
-No real beef with the characters... there was 2 I was wholly unfamiliar with (Azazel and Riptide). Oh and Darwin or whatever, but I'm guessing he was made up just for the movie since he was killed off pretty quickly...
-January Jones isn't a good actress, but she's hot.
Overall, really fun flick, better than I expected (and was expecting it to be very good) with your typical comic book cliches/cheesiness at points.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:03 pm to DanglingFury
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why the frick did Singer decide to make her (and Nightcrawler) all fricking scaley and naked
Kurt wasn't scaley, he was covered in self-made tattoos that represented his every sin (Singer was really honing in on Kurt's faith amid the heavily God Loves, Man Kills-esque storyline of that movie).
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:04 pm to OBUDan
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Overall, really fun flick, better than I expected (and was expecting it to be very good) with your typical comic book cliches/cheesiness at points.
yeah it was a solid movie with some good acting at the top, but there were some major weaknesses in teh story and to me, every character not named xavier, shaw, or erik were pretty weak. extremely flat or poorly written
the directing of the action scenes was very inconsistent, which took me out of the movie
also it was shot very bright...very limited use of dark lenses, which annoys me in general
7.5/10
not a great movie
solid flick with a few good characters and some good acting at the top
but this movie had a LOT of flaws. i completely am flabergasted at all the hype it is getting on here
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if a few lines about how she should look her real self makes her make that kind of change, then she's a fricking idiot
I think you missed my 'bitches be crazy' assessment of her character.
Like I said, I can see her reasoning for siding with Magneto, she's young and impressionable, and he says all the right things to her. What I don't see is how she turns into a cold, calculated super agent.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:07 pm to Bard
let me say this about the franchise in general
i thought x-men was done really well for its limited budget. 2 was pretty solid
but i think starting this franchise off with a director who hates nazis and loves gay themes was probably a mistake
the characters made it hard for the first to fail, as long as it was competently directed/written. you saw how badly singer did with a flat hero and shitty supporting characters (superman)
i thought x-men was done really well for its limited budget. 2 was pretty solid
but i think starting this franchise off with a director who hates nazis and loves gay themes was probably a mistake
the characters made it hard for the first to fail, as long as it was competently directed/written. you saw how badly singer did with a flat hero and shitty supporting characters (superman)
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:08 pm to ProjectP2294
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Like I said, I can see her reasoning for siding with Magneto, she's young and impressionable, and he says all the right things to her. What I don't see is how she turns into a cold, calculated super agent.
that's what i'm getting at
making a turn to frick magneto? fully understandable
completely changing your whole persona b/c your crush boy may play on your issues? unlikely. usually girls will just work harder at whatever the guy likes, hate herself more, and end up doing all sorts of depraved sexual shite. THEN go crazy when he doesn't accept her as her, and THEN have a personality shift (which really is only on the surface, as she'll go get railed by some piece of shite thug or biker as revenge)
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I disagree. I think this movie was a large ensemble piece and by its very nature, you can't have extreme depth to everyone due to limited screentime. But I thought they did a very good job of giving everyone thier moment, and having small moments hint at much greater depth (Beast, especially). The previous films had the flaw that is the Wolverine Show, and here there was far more emphasis on the whole team.
yeah it was a solid movie with some good acting at the top, but there were some major weaknesses in teh story and to me, every character not named xavier, shaw, or erik were pretty weak. extremely flat or poorly written
quote:And thank God for that. Way too many movies have almost no light in them. Movies are way too dark right now (from a lighting standpoint). I like to be able to see detail.
also it was shot very bright...very limited use of dark lenses
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:11 pm to ProjectP2294
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Like I said, I can see her reasoning for siding with Magneto, she's young and impressionable, and he says all the right things to her. What I don't see is how she turns into a cold, calculated super agent.
Yeah, I'm kinda having this problem as well. Mystique seems pretty nice and warm in this film, while she is cold and calculating in the original series. Some shite must really go down in the next two for her to turn out that way. I'm thinking this will be like Batman Begins in that while originally planned as a prequel, it will likely become a new series to where this won't be much of an issue.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
i think i liked it more than you, but i wouldn't ballyhoo it as the next dark knight (also overrated) or something.
i'm not as perturbed with the side characters. i liked the guy playing beast... like jennifer lawrence fine. the rest are fringe characters in the comics, right? no reason to give them gobs of screen time imo.
i do find it weird that they reboot everything and keep jackman. i realize he's a huge moneymaker and his cameo was a riot for sure, but it's weird to restart every character, and hold him over.
i'm not as perturbed with the side characters. i liked the guy playing beast... like jennifer lawrence fine. the rest are fringe characters in the comics, right? no reason to give them gobs of screen time imo.
i do find it weird that they reboot everything and keep jackman. i realize he's a huge moneymaker and his cameo was a riot for sure, but it's weird to restart every character, and hold him over.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:12 pm to Walt OReilly
I don't know if it was just me and my friend who noticed this, but when the team of mutant bad guys broke into the CIA headquarters, and Shaw was giving his speech to the kids about how the humans would treat them as slaves, did anyone else notice how they cut dead straight to the black kid? It made me laugh at the theatres because it was so ridiculous.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:13 pm to OBUDan
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i do find it weird that they reboot everything and keep jackman. i realize he's a huge moneymaker and his cameo was a riot for sure, but it's weird to restart every character, and hold him over.
Because of his age, they didn't need to start from scratch with him. And the cameo wouldn't have been as fun with another actor playing Wolverine.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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completely changing your whole persona b/c your crush boy may play on your issues? unlikely. usually girls will just work harder at whatever the guy likes, hate herself more, and end up doing all sorts of depraved sexual shite. THEN go crazy when he doesn't accept her as her, and THEN have a personality shift (which really is only on the surface, as she'll go get railed by some piece of shite thug or biker as revenge)
You're failing to see that Magneto was completely right in the film though. If I personally were a mutant and were there and saw that shite go down, I too would join Magneto. Add some emotional issues to it, and the choice shouldn't have been that difficult.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:13 pm to OBUDan
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there was 2 I was wholly unfamiliar with (Azazel and Riptide). Oh and Darwin or whatever, but I'm guessing he was made up just for the movie since he was killed off pretty quickly...
Riptide, Azazel and Darwin are characters from the comics with none ever having had anything to do with the Hellfire Club.
Riptide - Bad guy, part of the group that murdered Morlocks during the Mutant Massacre storyline. This was late 80's, early 90's.
Darwin - The story of Darwin and his team didn't come out until sometime after year 2000 (can't remember exactly when). They only had one mission and were lost for decades, they were pre the Wolverine/Colossus/Storm/Nightcrawler era (which started in the mid-70's real-time).
Azazel - was introduced and explained as being Kurt's father ~2005 (I think, had stopped reading the comics by then, just going off quick internet searches).
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:14 pm to Baloo
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But I thought they did a very good job of giving everyone thier moment, and having small moments hint at much greater depth (Beast, especially)
beast was easily the guy given the most time on the 2nd level
but havok, banshe, moira, angel, everyone in the hellfire not named shaw, etc were worthless. they should have had fewer characters, at least in pivotal scenes. i think a smaller approach, character-wise, would have been better in the end
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And thank God for that. Way too many movies have almost no light in them. Movies are way too dark right now (from a lighting standpoint). I like to be able to see detail.
i don't mean a lack of light, i just prefer darker lenses. it draws out the lines of the characters/objects on screen more, imho. this is a personal thing and i understand it doesn't matter outside of my personal preference
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:14 pm to Baloo
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I disagree. I think this movie was a large ensemble piece and by its very nature, you can't have extreme depth to everyone due to limited screentime. But I thought they did a very good job of giving everyone thier moment, and having small moments hint at much greater depth (Beast, especially). The previous films had the flaw that is the Wolverine Show, and here there was far more emphasis on the whole team.
yeah, that's how i felt.
x and magneto deserve prominent screen time, the rest are fringe characters and should get their moments, but not huge story arcs.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:15 pm to OMLandshark
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You're failing to see that Magneto was completely right in the film though.
and you're forgetting that she chose his side before the humans turned on them
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:The comics have always had a fairly explicit gay and racial theme. To ignore it would be a total betrayal of the source material.
gay themes
Changing plot and character details -- no problems whatsoever. But ignore major themes -- then what would be the point?
Posted on 6/5/11 at 12:16 pm to Bard
Nice. Yeah, like I said, I'm pretty unfamiliar with XMen history other than I knew Magneto and X were friends turned rivals (I didn't even know the Shaw story). I'm more familiar with the stories of Gambit, Wolverine, Rogue etc. since those were some of the comics I read/cartoons I watched.
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