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re: OFFICIAL "The Wire" M/TV Board rewatch thread (current discussion starts ~p. 53)
Posted on 3/16/16 at 8:11 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 3/16/16 at 8:11 am to Ace Midnight
they put gasoline on the dogs coat
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Posted on 3/16/16 at 8:12 am to Ace Midnight
i know some dog fighters through work. i never discuss that horrible shite with them
Posted on 3/16/16 at 8:15 am to jamsmiley
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they put gasoline on the dogs coat
Everybody in there would have smelled that. It had to be something more subtle. Again, doesn't matter what it was or even if it happened. Just the implication was enough for Method Man to off Jelly.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 9:48 am to Mac
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How often do y'all watch the opening song? I'll usually watch it on the first episode of each season and then FF through it to the epigraph.
Seasons 1, 3, and 4 I'll tend to watch it through.
Posted on 3/18/16 at 11:50 am to Wally Sparks
3 TO 6 A Season
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:15 am to jamsmiley
OP updated.
I watched the first episode from this past week, but still need to watch the second one. I hope to do that tonight. But I'll throw in my comments on E3 some time today and try to respond to things I've missed.
I watched the first episode from this past week, but still need to watch the second one. I hope to do that tonight. But I'll throw in my comments on E3 some time today and try to respond to things I've missed.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:20 am to Mac
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How often do y'all watch the opening song? I'll usually watch it on the first episode of each season and then FF through it to the epigraph.
Depends. I watch it on my Xbox, so if I've already turned the controller off then I won't usually FFWD. That being said, I enjoyed the intro song in S1 and S2, so I watched them almost every episode. S3, however, the intro song is terrible, so I've FFWD'd every time since the first episode, and plan to for the remainder of the season.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 9:21 am to Ace Midnight
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I think this has something to do with dog fighting protocol. The reason they were rubbing Dawg down with a base (milk or soap -sometimes vinegar is used, apparently) is to demonstrate they hadn't put something illicit on the dog's coat - pheromones or something distracting. But, the other dog was being rubbed down with something else, thus the reference to the rag.
Maybe so. That at least makes some sense.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 3:24 pm to CocomoLSU
same only watched 1
Posted on 3/21/16 at 4:00 pm to jamsmiley
Dead Soldiers
These Comstat meetings with Rawls are fricking rough, man. Dude is ruthless. Even demoting people on the spot. Damn.
Carcetti making BIG moves still. Dude is such a slimeball. It's so weird that when I started watching GoT, all I could see with Baelish was Carcetti, and now that's reversed and it's weird as hell to see him as anything other than Littlefinger.
Bunny getting Hamsterdam set up. I have no idea how he thinks that's a good idea (or not that it's not a good idea, but how he thinks it would fly I guess).
It's amazing how ready and willing the LEOs are about fudging numbers to make quotas and meet orders.
"She's still dead in a zip code that does not fricking matter." - Landsman
Wow. That's pretty poignant. It's crazy how they're so worried about a gun and not an actual body. And I know ole girl was in the game with Omar, but Bunk thinks she's a legit innocent bystander victim, but Landsman and hist superiors don't give a single frick and want that gun found.
Kima still turning into McNulty. But at least she can admit it now.
Love that we're seeing some Cutty backstory. Love that dude.
I love the drunk Irish cop "funerals." And of course we get a scene with Drunk Bunk and Drunk Jimmy.
These Comstat meetings with Rawls are fricking rough, man. Dude is ruthless. Even demoting people on the spot. Damn.
Carcetti making BIG moves still. Dude is such a slimeball. It's so weird that when I started watching GoT, all I could see with Baelish was Carcetti, and now that's reversed and it's weird as hell to see him as anything other than Littlefinger.
Bunny getting Hamsterdam set up. I have no idea how he thinks that's a good idea (or not that it's not a good idea, but how he thinks it would fly I guess).
It's amazing how ready and willing the LEOs are about fudging numbers to make quotas and meet orders.
"She's still dead in a zip code that does not fricking matter." - Landsman
Wow. That's pretty poignant. It's crazy how they're so worried about a gun and not an actual body. And I know ole girl was in the game with Omar, but Bunk thinks she's a legit innocent bystander victim, but Landsman and hist superiors don't give a single frick and want that gun found.
Kima still turning into McNulty. But at least she can admit it now.
Love that we're seeing some Cutty backstory. Love that dude.
I love the drunk Irish cop "funerals." And of course we get a scene with Drunk Bunk and Drunk Jimmy.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 4:14 pm to CocomoLSU
Pearlman- "I see you dress left" to Daniels.
She wants the BBC.
And yea, thanks for the info on that dog fighting scene guys, that one ALWAYS confused the hell out of me.
I f-ing hate cheese too. Maybe its just because its method man, but he pisses me off so much.
She wants the BBC.
And yea, thanks for the info on that dog fighting scene guys, that one ALWAYS confused the hell out of me.
I f-ing hate cheese too. Maybe its just because its method man, but he pisses me off so much.
Posted on 3/21/16 at 4:16 pm to CocomoLSU
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Dude is such a slimeball
You really think so?
I mean he's completely in his little finger element but he's got some fairly decent qualities IMO. I think he cares and he's just really trying to navigate the bullshite. Certainly is less self serving than Royce, but that isn't saying much.
"all in the game" as they say..
Posted on 3/21/16 at 4:17 pm to STLhog
he's bored. he admits as much to burrell
*ETA: he's also a poon hound, which is referenced in the bar scene in episode 4 and the scene where he cheats in 3
we will discuss this aspect of his character later, though
*ETA: he's also a poon hound, which is referenced in the bar scene in episode 4 and the scene where he cheats in 3
we will discuss this aspect of his character later, though
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 3/21/16 at 4:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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ETA: he's also a poon hound
Damn all I remember is the post election scene which is a ways off. I need to go back and watch again.
Gotta pay attention.
This post was edited on 3/21/16 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 3/22/16 at 10:26 am to CocomoLSU
I've been behind just catching up on S3: Watch the first 3 episodes.
Both Bodie and McNulty talk about making the same mistakes by doing the same things over. I notice kind of a recurring theme in the first 3 episodes of the cops and drug dealers having similar issues.
It's amazing how popular Slim Charles is
Great character, i had no idea how many other people like him as much as i did. And Cutty's storyline is one of my faves as well. Shows how out of touch new ounks like fruit are if he thinks a dude that spent 14 years in the joint is going to flinch at a gun in his face.
It's all about the incentives and point of view. If Prop Joe promotes the wrong guy, he gets busted or killed. If the cops do what happens? Like Carver said in S1, if they frick up they get beat, if we frick up we get promoted. Daniels, McNulty, Freeman and some others its about the work, the mission of the bureuacracy but to Burrell, Valchek and others it is about the bureaucracy itself, so the wrong guy depends on your view point.
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Bodie schooling Poot and company
Both Bodie and McNulty talk about making the same mistakes by doing the same things over. I notice kind of a recurring theme in the first 3 episodes of the cops and drug dealers having similar issues.
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Man, they aren't wasting any time at all bringing all of these new characters in. Slim Charles and Cutty are probably my two favorite characters in the series,
It's amazing how popular Slim Charles is
Great character, i had no idea how many other people like him as much as i did. And Cutty's storyline is one of my faves as well. Shows how out of touch new ounks like fruit are if he thinks a dude that spent 14 years in the joint is going to flinch at a gun in his face. quote:
"What makes you think they'll promote the wrong man?" "We do it all the time." That's the bullshite right there. So true. And what's funny is that the drug people are smart enough to NOT promote the wrong man (Drac), even though he's Prop Joe's nephew.
It's all about the incentives and point of view. If Prop Joe promotes the wrong guy, he gets busted or killed. If the cops do what happens? Like Carver said in S1, if they frick up they get beat, if we frick up we get promoted. Daniels, McNulty, Freeman and some others its about the work, the mission of the bureuacracy but to Burrell, Valchek and others it is about the bureaucracy itself, so the wrong guy depends on your view point.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 10:42 am to CocomoLSU
All Due Respect:
I guess it was just a way to show another element of the subculture.
Also, I figure it was showing a contrast in how people will get more upset over an animal being killed than a person. Cheese is practically in tears when Bunk is mocking him about the dog. Meanwhile we've got 4 bodies is a short time, including the dude Cheese's guy kills over the dog fighting. Plus the cops blow the wire over misunderstanding what he meant. They were on these guys for months and nothing but suddenly they are talking up murders. didn't make sense, but we see Rawls is pleased, all about the numbers.
I would have considered LE if it was that easy
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The dogfighting scene seems sort of out of place and unnecessary for some reason
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This whole thing with Cheese and the dog is just weird. Seems like a lot of time wasted to get to the joke of Cheese killing an actual dog instead of people.
I guess it was just a way to show another element of the subculture.
Also, I figure it was showing a contrast in how people will get more upset over an animal being killed than a person. Cheese is practically in tears when Bunk is mocking him about the dog. Meanwhile we've got 4 bodies is a short time, including the dude Cheese's guy kills over the dog fighting. Plus the cops blow the wire over misunderstanding what he meant. They were on these guys for months and nothing but suddenly they are talking up murders. didn't make sense, but we see Rawls is pleased, all about the numbers.
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I do love how this show makes it seem like you simply show up to a bar and get laid automatically.
I would have considered LE if it was that easy
Posted on 3/22/16 at 10:43 am to CocomoLSU
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This post was edited on 3/22/16 at 10:45 am
Posted on 3/22/16 at 10:45 am to CocomoLSU
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These Comstat meetings with Rawls are fricking rough, man. Dude is ruthless. Even demoting people on the spot. Damn.
I had commanders in the military who ran briefings sort of like that. We call that sort of leadership "toxic" for good reasons.
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Bunny getting Hamsterdam set up. I have no idea how he thinks that's a good idea (or not that it's not a good idea, but how he thinks it would fly I guess).
I don't think he does. I think he's choosing what he thinks will be the lesser of 2 evils - a grandiose experiment. A lot of powerful people get into a position and think, "Well, I do have control of these 4 or 5 conditions, and I have these resources - there's no reason that I shouldn't be able to do X." - Then X turns into a nightmare.
Posted on 3/22/16 at 11:51 am to Ace Midnight
bunny realizes people are going to do drugs whether their illegal or not. I just wants to reduce the blackeye on drug users and sellers by moving them to another area
Posted on 3/22/16 at 11:53 am to CocomoLSU
Dead Soldiers:
Everyone is concerned with numbers and leaders are demanding results from their subordinates on both sides. Rawls is chewing arse and demanding a decrease in crime or else. When Bodie says he can't find Marlo, Stringer asks why he isn't out looking for him "You called this meeting" does not sit to well so he gets up to go find Marlo. Marlo brings in Fruit and says his numbers are down and when Fruit says its the Barksdale guys down the block, Marlo tells him to do grab some youngins and do something.
It is and it isn't. Carcetti is making waves about crime, and while the mayor doesn't see him as a legit threat, his people know crime is an issue where he is vulnerable so he's pressuring Burrell, who with Rawls pressures the majors. It's all about self-preservation. Crime is a big issue with voters and we expect the gov't to "do something" about it or we hold the current leaders accountable and find new ones. But what can they do, especially short term? They go on big raids and if that doesn't work, massage the stats, because that's what the press will look at and what they can tell the voters. The one thing they can't hide is the bodies, that's why no one wants those 14 girls from season 2. The bureaucracy preserves itself first.
Everyone is concerned with numbers and leaders are demanding results from their subordinates on both sides. Rawls is chewing arse and demanding a decrease in crime or else. When Bodie says he can't find Marlo, Stringer asks why he isn't out looking for him "You called this meeting" does not sit to well so he gets up to go find Marlo. Marlo brings in Fruit and says his numbers are down and when Fruit says its the Barksdale guys down the block, Marlo tells him to do grab some youngins and do something.
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It's amazing how ready and willing the LEOs are about fudging numbers to make quotas and meet orders
It is and it isn't. Carcetti is making waves about crime, and while the mayor doesn't see him as a legit threat, his people know crime is an issue where he is vulnerable so he's pressuring Burrell, who with Rawls pressures the majors. It's all about self-preservation. Crime is a big issue with voters and we expect the gov't to "do something" about it or we hold the current leaders accountable and find new ones. But what can they do, especially short term? They go on big raids and if that doesn't work, massage the stats, because that's what the press will look at and what they can tell the voters. The one thing they can't hide is the bodies, that's why no one wants those 14 girls from season 2. The bureaucracy preserves itself first.
quote:I assume he thinks he's 6 months from retiring on a major's pension and what's the worst they can do to him, demote him to Lt? Kind of foreshadowing when the one guy says he doesn't want to think about the worse these MFers can do.
Bunny getting Hamsterdam set up. I have no idea how he thinks that's a good idea (or not that it's not a good idea, but how he thinks it would fly I guess)
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