re: OFFICIAL "The Wire" M/TV Board rewatch thread (current discussion starts ~p. 53)

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Still surprised she and Avon had Dee in the streets. Dee should have been in some private school and going to college.

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At a certain point, it makes sense. Dee wasn't "new" to the streets, just new to responsibility. Avon and Stringer had only been on top about a year or so. Dee was a grown-arse man (relatively speaking - with OGs being about 30, Dee was just past high school age.)

And with their family history with the business, they probably saw it as good honest work - a way to "learn the business" and, should something happen to Avon in 3 or 4 years (death, jail), then Dee would be poised to take over - or at least move into Stringer's position. Clearly Dee saw himself that way.

If Dee had been 12 or so when they got on top, yeah, move him to the legitimate route. But he wasn't.

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I still don't know what makes Omar tick.

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He takes particular pride in being good at what he does. It becomes personal over Brandon.

A man must have a code. It's all in the game, yo.

Game Day

B&B still not seeing eye to eye on Omar. I can see both sides of that argument. Stringer is right in that laying low for a minute and calling a truce is smart and then they can get Omar when he's slipping, but Avon is also right in that respect is huge in the areas they work in, and people will see that as weakness.

"I don't want to play no more, man."
Wallace to Dee. Man, you gotta feel bad for Wallace. Dude seems like a good kid just born in the wrong part of town. I think Dee sees a lot of himself in Wallace, which is why he looks out for him, and also who he's not cut out for the game either.

Ole Freamon teaching these boys how to poh-leese.

So we're already seeing Bubz struggle with staying clean and getting high. I didn't remember his sister this early in the series. I don't have any siblings, but I have to imagine that if my brother/sister came to my house where I have a child and was strung out on that shite, I wouldn't have reacted as well as his sister did. Drug addiction is a motherfricker. But I guess at least he's trying, and that means something.

The Omar scene as the big, bad wolf was fricking awesome. Dude straight up turns around and faces away from the house, and them boys drop the package out the window. It's crazy how much people fear Omar, when you'd think they could just shoot that dude and be done with it.

Freamon pimping on Shardene. "You can have that one." []D [] []v[] []D [] []\[]

I wonder just how out of place Herc feels at that basketball game. Hopefully they know he's a cop, cuz he's the only white dude within miles of that place.

"Look the part, be the part, motherfricker."
Prop muthafricking Joe in the house!! Dude is straight beasting on Avon and rope-a-doping him.

I love how the cops and criminals interact all the time in public like it's normal. Like Herc and Carv talking to Bodie and Poot at the game. It's like they didn't just beat Bodie's arse a week or two ago.

Avon going HARD on that ref, and scared the shite out of him. Shows how much respect people have for Avon, and how terrorizing he can be (which is one reason why he is who he is I'd assume). Then the dude turns around and fools all over Daniels and his people...he's always one step ahead. Dude is a badass. I love the back and forth on this show.

B&B can drop about 30 large and not even blink. Freamon says $20-25 million is a conservative estimate. Damn, son.

Although I'd think Avon would be smarter than that at the end, and would be way more aware of his surroundings. I mean shite, dude never even once looked to the right outside of O's club, where a hoodied Omar was chilling in plain sight. Come on, son, you gotta do better than that. Good thing WeeBay was there.

Omar on the G pack " fair enough"

Avon was right his player was clearly grabbed

Prop Joe with two propositions in the same episode

Bubbles has a son? didn't remember that

You can really see the humanity in Rawls and Burrell over the Kima Situation

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They've already seen B&B intimidate witnesses in federal court (I think it was federal)

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No. No federal charges at this point.

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"You ever steal from me, I'll kill your whole family." Was that line to Omar legit, or was he playing since Stringer was there and trying to make it look like he didn't know Omar? I feel like it was a little bit of both.

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I saw it as him trying to show Stringer that him and Omar weren't familiar with each other. He knows Omar isn't scared of him and I don't think Omar even has any family. They also reference Omar robbing people on the east side several times throughout the season.

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I love how much personal money they give out to the people in the game (Bubz, Omar, etc.). I always keep wondering if they get reimbursed for that?

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They have a special type of expense slip they use for confidential informants so I would imagine they are keeping track of what they pay him.

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Avon with all I got is my name

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Yeah, I noticed that too. That's definitely a quality that you need to be successful in the game, as we see later on in the series.

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That ref was probably thinking he was gonna end up dead fricking with Avon like that. And it was a foul.

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Watching that, it almost looked like the ref was in on something. The way they swallowed the whistles at the end of the game, and then were kinda trying to sneak off, it made me wonder if maybe Prop Joe was in on something.

Also, I love how the bet is not only the money, but the loser has to pay for a party for the winners. These two projects basically hate each other, but one ends up throwing the other a party.

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Bubz must have been a great fisherman back in the day but man he looking the part

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One thing I didn't understand about that is why he'd try to do it with the dude standing right there. You see him walk off every couple minutes for a good 30+ seconds or so, so why not wait until he's gone?

But I guess a drug addict wouldn't be thinking too clearly and just wants to reel in that prize.

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Prop Joe is a smooth sneaky dude.

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He's a great character in the series.

Paaaaarlaaay.

Catching up on the thread, we really need to try to keep the discussion as current as we can and not get ahead of ourselves. Anyway...

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Avon finally agrees to Stringer's plan for a faux truce with Omar after narrowly escaping Omar's attempted hit. But Omar is too smart for them, asking for extra $$ and realizing when they agree that they will not honor the truce. I love when he's getting on the bus how he asks Jimmy for traveling cash, basically telling Jimmy he could just rob someone so Jimmy gives it to him.

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That's why it takes Avon AND Stringer to build an empire. If it was just Avon running shite, then he'd be dead. If it was just Stringer, then it wouldn't be as respected. The two of them look at it from completely different sides. And being a Stringer fan, it was nice to see Avon respect String's advice on the situation and call the faux truce with Omar and go that route. With someone like Omar, it's the smartest thing to do.

And yeah, I love how Omar robs them of thousands of dollars and drugs, but claims to not have a few bucks for transportation.

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Is Orlando the dumbest MFer in Balmore? Even after Avon bitch slaps he still tries to buy some dope thinking he can punt it on? Does he not think they will try and kill him? Especially after Levy visits and gets him to sign over the club then bolts. Looking back, having his name on the license was his leverage, but I wonder why he wasn't concerned about getting whacked with the buy/bust? Do none of them think the Barksdale crew won't suspect it, even with the cover story of needing cash for a lawyer? Here is where the politics and standard police work have their worst consequences when he's killed and Kima gets shot.

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That's what I was saying too...what on earth would make them think he wasn't a dead man? Nobody was gonna buy the "I need to get back into the game to afford a lawyer" bullshite. That should've been obvious.

And them hanging too far back and not keeping tabs on Kima was just an all-around mistake. And I love how as soon as Sevino got in the car, he cranked the music up to be safe. And then when he heard Kima shout out a location, he cranked it up even more. The cops played right into their hands on that one, and it was a great plan/setup. All the way down to flipping street signs to confuse their directions.

Well played, B&B.

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I saw it as him trying to show Stringer that him and Omar weren't familiar with each other. He knows Omar isn't scared of him and I don't think Omar even has any family. They also reference Omar robbing people on the east side several times throughout the season.

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That's what I figured. I know they were fronting on Stringer pretending to be meeting for the first time and all that, but I wondered if that line meant anything beyond that. But you're right, it probably didn't.

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The Rawls/McNulty exchange about responsibility for Kima is arguably the best scene in the entire series. It is certainly up there with the chess scene, the one word murder re-investigation scene and the finale montage. Season 1 is money.

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That actually made me like Rawls (even though he's still an a-hole).