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re: Official Star Wars Episode 9 Discussion SPOILERS thread
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:49 am to TheeRealCarolina
Posted on 12/21/19 at 8:49 am to TheeRealCarolina
I saw it and I honestly enjoyed it as well.
TROS accomplished its biggest goals and that being to not insult the fanbase, do not inject SJW politics, honor and dignify the characters and make sure their role in the plot stays true to their character and make the movie a classic story of good vs evil.
JJ Abrams should be commended for doing as well as he could making something of the burning wreckage POS frenchie Rian Johnson left for him.
Star Wars as a franchise before this movie was completely failing and I feel like TROS at least stabilized things and made sure it could live to fight another day.
TROS accomplished its biggest goals and that being to not insult the fanbase, do not inject SJW politics, honor and dignify the characters and make sure their role in the plot stays true to their character and make the movie a classic story of good vs evil.
JJ Abrams should be commended for doing as well as he could making something of the burning wreckage POS frenchie Rian Johnson left for him.
Star Wars as a franchise before this movie was completely failing and I feel like TROS at least stabilized things and made sure it could live to fight another day.
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Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:01 am to Sentrius
The Phantom Menace effect is in full swing.
Most people who went to see the film back in '99 found it enjoyable as well. It was only after repeat viewings that the film's flaws became readily apparent.
I have no doubt the same thing will happen with a good majority of you once the denial starts to wear off.
Most people who went to see the film back in '99 found it enjoyable as well. It was only after repeat viewings that the film's flaws became readily apparent.
I have no doubt the same thing will happen with a good majority of you once the denial starts to wear off.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:03 am to Nodust
quote:Two different things. He first draws the diad (sp?) Force energy from both of them. That’s not lightning and she doesn’t die but she’s near death.
Was that lightning the first time. I thought that was Sidious drawing their life out or powers maybe.
Then she rises with the Jedi speaking to her and reflects his actual lightning (“let your death be the final word”). After that effort she dies.
I enjoyed the movie very much and my SW nerd kids loved it. A few thoughts and nits after second viewing;
1. I know Finn is controversial. I don’t hate him but I do hate the scene of him risking his life to chase after Rey on the Endor moon. WTF is he going to do that could possibly help and why does he scream at her when she’s in the middle of a fricking light saber battle with Ren?
2. The scenes and fights with Rey and Ren (Rey+Ben=Ren) were great. Adam Driver is so good IMO and his movement especially with the light saber is fantastic.
3. Why couldn’t they just take the out the Final Order navigation towers with fighter strikes? Why did they need a ground team? Why didn’t they just land next to the tower instead of using space horses?
4. Glad they didn’t wrap up anything with Finn and Rey.
5. Ben should have appeared with Luke and Leia on Tatooine. That’s a no brainer and a huge miss by Abrams.
6. I wonder if Ben being the actual last Skywalker would have been the more appropriate ending.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:11 am to Ice Cold
I streamed it last night. Still not going see it. Saw TFA 4 times in theaters.
I did enjoy it though. They tried so hard to make Rey/Finn/Poe like Luke/Han/Leia and they just didn’t. I honestly don’t care about Finn and Poe, and they were both written horribly.
I liked Han talking to Ben, but I wish there was a chance for Anakin to do so. So much could have come from that.
I also wish Ben would have lived with Rey, so she can truely become a Skywalker. That would have been a satisfying ending.
I did enjoy it though. They tried so hard to make Rey/Finn/Poe like Luke/Han/Leia and they just didn’t. I honestly don’t care about Finn and Poe, and they were both written horribly.
I liked Han talking to Ben, but I wish there was a chance for Anakin to do so. So much could have come from that.
I also wish Ben would have lived with Rey, so she can truely become a Skywalker. That would have been a satisfying ending.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:12 am to Ice Cold
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Ben should have appeared with Luke and Leia on Tatooine. That’s a no brainer and a huge miss by Abrams.
Anakin as well IMO
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Why couldn’t they just take the out the Final Order navigation towers with fighter strikes? Why did they need a ground team?
Things were moving really fast there and I need to see it again to see if Im just making this up but my take-way was that it had something to do with a deflector shield from speeder or fighter cannons
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I wonder if Ben being the actual last Skywalker would have been the more appropriate ending.
I thought it was going that route towards the end...I was imagining something like Ben reviving and carrying on the Skywalker name and Rey vowing to turn the impression of legacy of the Palpatine name...then end with her smiling and maybe like a red flicker in her eye signaling the existence of the dark side.
Anyway, ending on Tatooine was awesome. I didnt read any spoiler shite so I didnt know that was out before hand but that was really really cool IMO. Better than ROTJ where it ended with everyone dancing on Endor.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:13 am to RollTide1987
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Most people who went to see the film back in '99 found it enjoyable as well. It was only after repeat viewings that the film's flaws became readily apparent.
I have no doubt the same thing will happen with a good majority of you once the denial starts to wear off.
If this movie was not coming right after the flaming pile of stinky shite that was TLJ that constantly insulted its fanbase, shite on OG characters, wasted screen time on side stories that meant nothing, completely invalidated a lot of Star Wars lore and was more than subtle with its SJW politics, then I would agree with you.
The Rise of Skywalker may have plot holes and a story that is not as coherent as the original trilogy, but I honestly believe that what we just saw is about the best that we could get after TLJ. It was that bad.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:17 am to Sentrius
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If this movie was not coming right after the flaming pile of stinky shite that was TLJ that constantly insulted its fanbase, shite on OG characters, wasted screen time on side stories that meant nothing, completely invalidated a lot of Star Wars lore and was more than subtle with its SJW politics, then I would agree with you.
And that's the thing. This movie tried to do two things at once because of how bad TLJ was. Perhaps if it were a one-off that took place 40 years after Return of the Jedi, it wouldn't be as bad as it is. But The Rise of Skywalker is the concluding chapter of a trilogy. If you watch all three of them back-to-back-to-back, you will see how disjointed and unplanned this sequel trilogy was.
I'll say this about the prequels, at least there was an overall vision where the story was going to go. George Lucas had a plan and the lore was good if the screenplay was lacking. Kathleen Kennedy and company did NOT have a plan. They just made it up as they went along.
This movie would have been SOOOO much better if the threat of a resurgent Palpatine was being hinted at as early as The Force Awakens.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:25 am to RollTide1987
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This movie tried to do two things at once because of how bad TLJ was.
And that's the whole point. TLJ upended and changed everything that JJ may have had in mind for the finale. Whatever he had in mind was never going to happen after TLJ.
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I'll say this about the prequels, at least there was an overall vision where the story was going to go. George Lucas had a plan and the lore was good if the screenplay was lacking.
Indeed.
The prequels had a good plan and good idea of where to go. The problem was the execution or more simply, the nuts and bolts of the process but the prequels still gave us the general gist of how the empire and Darth Vader came to be.
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Kathleen Kennedy and company did NOT have a plan. They just made it up as they went along.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:28 am to TeddyPadillac
I saw a brief mention somewhere of cut scenes with Hayden Christensen? I never cared for his portrayal, though he had to work with the worst (IMO) SW writing and was comically wooden as a result. Still, it would have been an epic scene. They must have made a conscious decision not to do that.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:36 am to LSUfan4444
quote:In the moment after Ben revived Rey I didn’t think of this but had they both survived, the existence of their children would have meant another future conflict because the inevitable problem child(ren). LOL
I thought it was going that route towards the end...I was imagining something like Ben reviving and carrying on the Skywalker name and Rey vowing to turn the impression of legacy of the Palpatine name...then end with her smiling and maybe like a red flicker in her eye signaling the existence of the dark side.
I’m hindsight, one of them had to die, and I guess Rey is the logical survivor. She’s been Jedi by nature the whole time despite her lineage. Ben was Sith the whole time for deeply psychological reasons and it’s unclear if he could have sustained existence as “Ben” after her dying. He could have been scarred anew, or been resolved to honor her legacy by rejecting the Dark Side.
Deep thoughts...
PS. Carrie Fisher was fine in the original trilogy, and I know she had rough times later on IRL, but my goodness her acting skills completely deserted her at some point.
FWIW my favorite Fisher performance was The Man With One Red Shoe.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:45 am to Ice Cold
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but my goodness her acting skills completely deserted her at some point.
Most likely due to the fact that she could barely open her mouth by the end of her life.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:48 am to RollTide1987
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Most likely due to the fact that she could barely open her mouth by the end of her life.
They would've been better off CGI-ing Leia than having the real Carrie Fisher reprise the role.
I would also suggest voice acting for Carrie but the quality of voice is an issue though.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:48 am to RollTide1987
quote:Not just this movie, as was visibly weak. The entire sequel trilogy and before that as well.
Most likely due to the fact that she could barely open her mouth by the end of her life.
I wonder how the final Leia/Han/Ben scene would have played out had she lived? Would she have force projected to Ben? Would she have physically gone to him? Curious how her death affected that whole dynamic.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:06 am to Ice Cold
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I saw a brief mention somewhere of cut scenes with Hayden Christensen? I never cared for his portrayal, though he had to work with the worst (IMO) SW writing and was comically wooden as a result. Still, it would have been an epic scene. They must have made a conscious decision not to do that.
He was rumored to be in the Lucas cut of TROS which scored the highest among test audiences. But KK decided not to use it.
Have you wondered why Anakin is nonexistent in this trilogy? The one that initially brought balance to the Force before Palpatine was brought back, only to now have Rey bring balance? This whole aspect is being largely lost in all of this and it’s a travesty and poor writing.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:17 am to Ice Cold
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I saw a brief mention somewhere of cut scenes with Hayden Christensen? I never cared for his portrayal, though he had to work with the worst (IMO) SW writing and was comically wooden as a result. Still, it would have been an epic scene. They must have made a conscious decision not to do that.
I thought overall Hayden was great visually, but he got the shite end of a stick with the writing. He looked like what I thought Anakin would look like in RotS.
They absolutely brought him in for things. He was one of the voices that talked with Rey during her pep talk. His line was one my absolute least favorite parts about the movie. It was a giant frick you.
So, I’m sure they might have had some potential scenes with him. I am pretty sure Lucas would have involved him more in the stuff he helped on.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:18 am to meeple
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Have you wondered why Anakin is nonexistent in this trilogy?
At this point, the only reasoning I can assume is because they wanted to basically write him out of being the chosen one.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:19 am to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:What did he say? I lost track.
His line was one my absolute least favorite parts about the movie. It was a giant frick you.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:27 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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they wanted to basically write him out of being the chosen one.
Yeah, hence my comment of it being a travesty and poor writing thus negating the OT and although still significant but to a lesser degree the PT.
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:33 am to Ice Cold
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What did he say? I lost track
Hey says something like “Rey, you need to balance the force like I did”
When they completely invalidate his character, write away what he did that actually balanced the force, and still throw that in there as some type of lip service. Just a giant frick you to fans.
This post was edited on 12/21/19 at 10:39 am
Posted on 12/21/19 at 10:34 am to Ice Cold
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What did he say? I lost track.
"Bring back the balance, Rey, as I did."
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