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re: Official Loki Episode 3 Discussion Thread *SPOILERS*
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:45 am to Sus-Scrofa
Posted on 6/24/21 at 7:45 am to Sus-Scrofa
So about this multiverse thing, if Andrew and Tobey are coming back, will Ed Norton come back as a different Banner? That would be pretty cool
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Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:23 am to Sus-Scrofa
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My understanding of the first few episodes was that the timekeepers didn't stop Thanos because all of that had to happen to keep the timeline on track.
But look at how many (and who) stone-keepers the TVA brought in and pruned to keep that logos on track.
Seems like Dr. Strange could have wanted a bagel one morning instead of a McMuffin and after he crossed the street ,ZAP, variant, bring him in, prune.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 8:49 am to Sus-Scrofa
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So if Loki did use a stolen infinity stone, or if he tries to use it to escape, wouldn't that potentially upset or blip the timeline, triggering the TVA, and then Owen Wilson would know where they are and show up?
Under normal circumstances sure - but the TVA probably too busy and distracted by trying to undo all those time changes Lady Loki caused in episode 2.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:15 am to Sus-Scrofa
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I thought those stones just didn't work in the TVA office, like Loki's magic.
Correct but the Infinity stones also will not work outside of the timeline that they are originated in. This has been mentioned in a few different Marvel comics.
Feige has said a few times that they are moving into a new era where the Infinity stones won't be important.
They are gone. Unusable.
If variant Infinity stones work inside the sacred timeline, then why didn't Loki steal all 6 versions of the stones from the drawer and then come back to the sacred timeline? I know he is obsessed with the Time Keepers and has found a new purpose but it would be retarded for him not to have taken the soul stone and literally search for the souls of the timekeepers at any moment that he isn't in the TVA.
If all the stones worked again, it would be a shitty easy ex machina for literally every MCU story, big or small going forward. It would be difficult to write around that.
Kang hates the Avengers? Well frick it, let him go to 6 different timelines and get a stone from each, come back to the sacred timeline and snap those frickers from existence.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:39 am to Bottom9
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Correct but the Infinity stones also will not work outside of the timeline that they are originated in. This has been mentioned in a few different Marvel comics
Since the multiverse is open, maybe he got REALLY lucky.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 9:50 am to Sus-Scrofa
Probably a near 0% chance of that because the TVA already pruned a variant timeline where that timestone worked. Timeline pruned, said time stone from pruned timeline no longer works ever again.
I just think it was magic Loki used. I think he is more powerful than what we knew. Plus he is knows sorcery and telekinesis so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he just stopped a falling building. He picked up a weapon in episode 2 at Roxxcart using telekinesis
I just think it was magic Loki used. I think he is more powerful than what we knew. Plus he is knows sorcery and telekinesis so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he just stopped a falling building. He picked up a weapon in episode 2 at Roxxcart using telekinesis
Posted on 6/24/21 at 10:06 am to Bottom9
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He picked up a weapon in episode 2 at Roxxcart using telekinesis
Well he wasn't in the TVA, so it may have been "picked up" using a stone's power.
I don't put a ton of credence into the stone theory though. Would make the scene with the box of irrelevant infinity stones much less powerful of a scene.
I think it's one of the following:
1. Sylvie is in Loki's mind when she grabbed him and is projecting all of this to gain more info from Loki, or perhaps see if she can trust him.
2. Loki is projecting everything from the moment she wakes up on the train, trying to get info from Sylvie, or to see if he can trust her
3. Everything is just as was seen, but Mobius had been scouring catastrophic events and finds them. They voluntarily go with him to avoid certain death on the doomed moon.
I really liked the episode. The opening with the TVA girl getting a brainfreeze was great. Anytime Loki has to talk about Frieda is so well done. Hiddleston is nails with the emotion of that relationship. Loki getting blasted by the old lady after projecting her husband was funny. The reveal of the TVA all being variants was huge (which if Loki was projecting to get info, could have been what he was after).
The only thing that seemed out of place was the "action for the sake of action" at the end.
This post was edited on 6/24/21 at 10:10 am
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:10 am to TheeRealCarolina
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Yeah you’re seeing something that isn’t there. Zoom in and it’s just a bunch of crystals and such.
Example #2 of you needing to see an eye doctor.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:39 am to Dr RC
The episode did set the stage for for Loki’s essentially creating these co-op memories to get what they need from “strong minds” (Sylvie and the TVA).
I don’t think it’s a stretch that Loki could’ve pulled the same stunt to Sylvie whenever she fell asleep. She obviously knows more about this disaster than he, so any knowledge that would give him an edge he’ll jump on it. But does he try to dispose of her after he gets what he needs (big if)?
Damn I’m glad someone brought up that option. I need to rewatch the episode
I don’t think it’s a stretch that Loki could’ve pulled the same stunt to Sylvie whenever she fell asleep. She obviously knows more about this disaster than he, so any knowledge that would give him an edge he’ll jump on it. But does he try to dispose of her after he gets what he needs (big if)?
Damn I’m glad someone brought up that option. I need to rewatch the episode
Posted on 6/24/21 at 11:40 am to Dr RC
Dude you’re seeing what you want to see, that’s crystals. Go back and watch the movie and not rely on what others have told you what they want to see
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:13 pm to Bottom9
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If variant Infinity stones work inside the sacred timeline, then why didn't Loki steal all 6 versions of the stones from the drawer and then come back to the sacred timeline?
this is kinda backwards reasoning. At that time he doesn't know how to get back to the sacred timeline. He didn't even know the stones and his magic weren't useful when he got to the TVA. He was going after his tessaract (space stone). He just didn't think it through or didnt think he would need them. simple marvel plot gap to avoid a deus ex machina you talk about.
thats not to say the variant stones will or wont work but your logic is backwards. it seems to suggest he knew they wouldn't work, while he was trying to get recover the tessaract.
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If all the stones worked again, it would be a shitty easy ex machina for literally every MCU story, big or small going forward. It would be difficult to write around that.
they could just not write about it and be fine. Like why didnt Dr strange just portal thanos head/hand off? because they didn't write it. Marvel is teeming with Deus ex machina opportunities.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:23 pm to Breric
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One little nugget from that scene was that Loki seemed to use the Time stone to stop the building from collapsing which should give them a way to get off the planet.
Good catch I thought I noticed him slow time.bet he pocketed it from the desk drawer.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:44 pm to AMS
My whole point is that I don't believe the stones are important anymore. That's it
Posted on 6/24/21 at 12:57 pm to Bottom9
So i fully believed that the blonde after episode 2 as Enchantress. And she has essentially taken the name of her. But is she actually a Loki variant? Because Loki calls her that and she makes the statement "dont call me that i havent gone by that in a long time" or something along those lines.
So is she actually a local variant that will be known as Enchantress? Or is she completely separate from Loki and is the Enchantress?
Sorry if its a dumb question. I groggily watched last night episode in bed and need to re watch.
So is she actually a local variant that will be known as Enchantress? Or is she completely separate from Loki and is the Enchantress?
Sorry if its a dumb question. I groggily watched last night episode in bed and need to re watch.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 2:13 pm to Bottom9
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Kang hates the Avengers? Well frick it, let him go to 6 different timelines and get a stone from each, come back to the sacred timeline and snap those frickers from existence.
This is not really relevant to your overall point, but Kang doesn't hate the Avengers. He actually kind of idolizes them because the time he was originally from had achieved "peace" and he found it incredibly boring and he would watch old videos of heroes like the Avengers. He has teamed up with them several times when his interests and theirs coincided. Of course he is willing to kill them also if it furthers his plans.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 2:18 pm to GatorReb
I’m thinking she is truly a Loki Variant, but will be the MCU’s Enchantress. Would be something different for the character.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 2:45 pm to GatorReb
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But is she actually a Loki variant?
didnt she make a joke about male loki being an inferior variant or something?
Posted on 6/24/21 at 2:49 pm to GatorReb
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So i fully believed that the blonde after episode 2 as Enchantress. And she has essentially taken the name of her. But is she actually a Loki variant? Because Loki calls her that and she makes the statement "dont call me that i havent gone by that in a long time" or something along those lines.
So is she actually a local variant that will be known as Enchantress? Or is she completely separate from Loki and is the Enchantress?
Sorry if its a dumb question. I groggily watched last night episode in bed and need to re watch.
According to Wikipedia and the Marvel fandom database, the Sylvie version of the Enchantress (as opposed to the original Amora version) was created by Loki, either by imbuing a mortal with powers or maybe totally creating her. If they are following this in the MCU, it could be something like Loki put his essence into a separate being so she is kinda, sorta a Loki and kinda, sorta not. Just spitballin here.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 3:19 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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I’m thinking she is truly a Loki Variant, but will be the MCU’s Enchantress. Would be something different for the character.
This is what im thinking.
Yes she is the MCUs Enchantress but yes she is a Loki variant.
Posted on 6/24/21 at 5:24 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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At no point while watching it did I think about it being woke.
Ur one of the few who thought this
It was/is Woke, and actor playing new Captain is dumber than the Old captain.
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