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re: Official "Inception" Thread (***SPOILERS***)
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:32 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:32 pm to Freauxzen
Cobb spins the top, then looks up and out the door and sees his kids and remembers what he has missed for so long, the sense of home. In that moment, he drops his anxiety about what that top tells him and is content to look into those smiling faces and his kids embrace and he knows he has made it home. The totem has no meaning for him anymore, he has moved past his wife's death, forgiven himself and moves forward.
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Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:33 pm to Freauxzen
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But he's never sure it's reality, THAT'S why he spins the top
He never went thru a mission ( real or not ) like he just did. He never saw his kids faces before..................but you are right......he spun the top because he wasnt sure.....that doesnt mean it didnt end up being real. And although it shouldnt matter...for some reason i want to know......why??????????????????????
This post was edited on 7/24/10 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:49 pm to LakeViewLSU
just got back from my 3rd viewing. This film has made it into my top 5. 
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:54 pm to LakeViewLSU
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that doesnt mean it didnt end up being real.
Correct. We're having that debate for 20 pages, but that shouldn't be an issue on the table. If we are looking at Cobb's evolution as hero, it ends in the same place, whether it's reality or not.
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And although it shouldnt matter...for some reason i want to know......why??????????????????????
Natural human reaction. We feel like we need an answer, hence a 29 page thread.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 12:02 am to Freauxzen
Just saw it. Awesome movie
Posted on 7/25/10 at 12:04 am to GeauxLSUSam
So at about 2 weeks, Rotten Tomatoes has Inception at 86%, and IMDB still has it at 9.3 out of 10 with over 65,000 votes
Posted on 7/25/10 at 12:08 am to Freauxzen
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If we are looking at Cobb's evolution as hero, it ends in the same place, whether it's reality or not.
This may not be true if he is experiencing new things , like seeing his kids older and seeing their faces. This will completely change the evolution.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 12:21 am to LakeViewLSU
My bro told me i have to see this movie, today!
He was right. Mind blowing.
Christopher Nolan is the Spielberg of our day. And I do not consider Dark Knight one of his best.
Please, keep 'em coming, dude!
I see the 'Tron' previews, and know that the original was ahead of its time, and that few would get that. Same with this flick. It may not appeal to everyone, but it is in the genre of a 1984, or Apocalypse Now.
He was right. Mind blowing.
Christopher Nolan is the Spielberg of our day. And I do not consider Dark Knight one of his best.
Please, keep 'em coming, dude!
I see the 'Tron' previews, and know that the original was ahead of its time, and that few would get that. Same with this flick. It may not appeal to everyone, but it is in the genre of a 1984, or Apocalypse Now.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 1:20 am to Baloo
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Unrelated... has anyone else noted the importance of names in this movie?
Ariadne is a Greek godess who was the mistress of the labyrinth and gave Thesus the thread so he would not get ost in the Minotaur's maze.
Arthur is the name of the great hero king of England's creation myth.
Eames was a designer who designed the Eames chair and had a philosophy regarding changing the nature of the banana leaf through design.
Yusuf is a prophet in the Koran whose story begins by awakening from a dream.
Mal is the French word for "bad"
don't forget their "mark" was Robert Fischer (or Bobby Fischer, thus the chess match in the mind)
Posted on 7/25/10 at 1:43 am to Dan In Real Life
I just came back from see the this. Here are my thoughts on it.
1. It was a good movie with an original concept with some good acting.
2. It was very suspenseful.
3. I would give it an A.
With that said, the ambiguity of the ending could be seen coming a mile away. The nature of making modern movies end "unpredictably" has resulted in a paranoia mindset where the audience is more surprised by concrete predictable endings than anything else.
I wish, for once, that a movie of this caliber could be made where the director has the guts to put a legitimate, concrete ending in the film. The "whatever interpretation you want is true" approach is getting old.
I really liked the movie, but this "open" ending nonsense on most of the new great cinema is quickly becoming my new pet peeve.
1. It was a good movie with an original concept with some good acting.
2. It was very suspenseful.
3. I would give it an A.
With that said, the ambiguity of the ending could be seen coming a mile away. The nature of making modern movies end "unpredictably" has resulted in a paranoia mindset where the audience is more surprised by concrete predictable endings than anything else.
I wish, for once, that a movie of this caliber could be made where the director has the guts to put a legitimate, concrete ending in the film. The "whatever interpretation you want is true" approach is getting old.
I really liked the movie, but this "open" ending nonsense on most of the new great cinema is quickly becoming my new pet peeve.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 1:49 am to theunknownknight
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I wish, for once, that a movie of this caliber could be made where the director has the guts to put a legitimate, concrete ending in the film.
Actually, that's what I'm arguing for now. We get wrapped up in the argument of "Where?" that we lose the argument of "Why?"
In the case of the second, the movie was rather closed, which is all you need.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 5:53 pm to Freauxzen
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Freauxzen
I've only browsed this thread, but you are probably the most quality poster on this entire site. Kudos.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 6:14 pm to Stewie Griffin
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I've only browsed this thread, but you are probably the most quality poster on this entire site. Kudos.
Thank you for the kind words. I'm sure some would disagree given my harsh stances on some things around here, *cough*LostJohnnyDeppDanMullen*cough*
I read your stuff during the Cup. You have a good grasp of the game for sure.
This post was edited on 7/25/10 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 7/25/10 at 7:38 pm to Freauxzen
Not much to add to this thread after seeing Inception today except FAN-frickING-TASTIC movie.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 8:09 pm to Freauxzen
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Arguing over the rest is somewhat pointless.
Pointless...maybe.
A hell of a lot of fun....definitely.
You're correct that Baloo's point was a good one.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 8:26 pm to Freauxzen
I finally saw the movie for a second thing. I knew I wouldn't come away "knowing" any better whether it was dream or reality because it was purposefully ambiguous. As discussed earlier, dream or reality doesn't really even matter.
The one thing that has been bothering me was Freauxzen's discission about the problems involved with limbo being a level the players could voluntarily "jack" into. His point included the following quote and several others I didn't want to search for:
I came up with an answer that satisfied me on this point, and perhaps it will help you Freaux.
Limbo was not a certain level (level 4 or whatever). Limbo was an area of unconstructed dreamspace. In the case of the inception plot in the movie, it was level 4 because the architect had constructed 3 levels. Therefore, when Cobb and Ariadne entered a dream from level 3, they entered limbo because there was no level 4.
In the case of Mal and Cobb, we don't know how many levels it took because we don't know how many levels they constructed. Obviously, at some point, they decided to go one level deeper than they had constructed as architects.
Therefore, limbo could be any level. If only one level were constructed, going to level 2 would throw one into limbo, as there would be no level 2. Once you get beyond that which is constructed, welcome to limbo.
The one thing that has been bothering me was Freauxzen's discission about the problems involved with limbo being a level the players could voluntarily "jack" into. His point included the following quote and several others I didn't want to search for:
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Because in your version, level 4 has to be limbo as well. It's where Dom stays behind. And they have to "jack" into it. They make a conscious choice to "jack" into limbo. How can that be? Why can't you do that from level one? And so forth.
I came up with an answer that satisfied me on this point, and perhaps it will help you Freaux.
Limbo was not a certain level (level 4 or whatever). Limbo was an area of unconstructed dreamspace. In the case of the inception plot in the movie, it was level 4 because the architect had constructed 3 levels. Therefore, when Cobb and Ariadne entered a dream from level 3, they entered limbo because there was no level 4.
In the case of Mal and Cobb, we don't know how many levels it took because we don't know how many levels they constructed. Obviously, at some point, they decided to go one level deeper than they had constructed as architects.
Therefore, limbo could be any level. If only one level were constructed, going to level 2 would throw one into limbo, as there would be no level 2. Once you get beyond that which is constructed, welcome to limbo.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 9:33 pm to BhamTigah
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I came up with an answer that satisfied me on this point, and perhaps it will help you Freaux.
My recent developments have left me at peace with the film. I'm like Cobb, I don't care whether it was a dream or reality.
But that was a good enough explanation. But my problems with Limbo are in it's overall presentation and description. I think two things stand out as sort of failing the film a bit: totems and limbo.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 10:10 pm to BhamTigah
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BhamTigah
I think that's a great explanation
Posted on 7/25/10 at 10:14 pm to Freauxzen
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That doesn't change the end though. He spins the top deliberately like he has all through the film. Then he just walks away, not caring about the finality of what it says. Not knowing if it is real or not is enough reality for him.
I like this thought, but don't know if I agree. IIRC, he spins it when he sees the kids playing outside, then leaves it when he sees their faces. The fact that he bothers to spin it in the first place tells me he DOES still care, he was simply overwhelmed by finally seeing his children's faces that whether it was reality or not left his mind. He very well may have played with his kids for a few minutes, popped them in front of a Dora the Explorer DVD and went right on back to his totem.
Posted on 7/25/10 at 10:30 pm to THRILLHO
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The fact that he bothers to spin it in the first place tells me he DOES still care, he was simply overwhelmed by finally seeing his children's faces that whether it was reality or not left his mind.
I agree with this. He cares to know, that's why he spins it, but he doesn't care about the answer.
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He very well may have played with his kids for a few minutes, popped them in front of a Dora the Explorer DVD and went right on back to his totem.
But remember, when it comes to film, we can only trust what we see. Not what we don't, and Nolan, as an artist, made a deliberate move to have Cobb NOT return to the top to check it out. That's how the artist communicates ideas to the viewer.
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