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re: Official "Inception" Thread (***SPOILERS***)
Posted on 7/24/10 at 10:22 am to Dan In Real Life
Posted on 7/24/10 at 10:22 am to Dan In Real Life
Saw it last night and HOLY shite what a movie.
- The hallway fight scene was mesmerizing. Amazing choreography for that. Definitely one of the best fight scenes ever now.
- This movie will be debated for years and that is a testament to the complexity of Nolan's tale. Hats off to him.
- I think he was still dreaming at the end. Whether the whole thing was a dream or not I don't know. But the kids were playing in the same position when they finally turned to see their faces. Also they didn't age. They were the same age they were when he first left which I would assume was at least a year or two prior.
One thing I am having trouble with is why was Saito and old man in the opening scene? Did they induce his dream and then let him sit there for a while?
- The hallway fight scene was mesmerizing. Amazing choreography for that. Definitely one of the best fight scenes ever now.
- This movie will be debated for years and that is a testament to the complexity of Nolan's tale. Hats off to him.
- I think he was still dreaming at the end. Whether the whole thing was a dream or not I don't know. But the kids were playing in the same position when they finally turned to see their faces. Also they didn't age. They were the same age they were when he first left which I would assume was at least a year or two prior.
One thing I am having trouble with is why was Saito and old man in the opening scene? Did they induce his dream and then let him sit there for a while?
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Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:18 am to etm512
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Also they didn't age. They were the same age they were when he first left which I would assume was at least a year or two prior.
They did age.
In fact, the kids who played James and Phillipa at the very end were a few years older (in real life) than the kids who played them throughout the film.
This post was edited on 7/24/10 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:30 pm to Cs
Ok so this has probably been talked about already and I probably have already figured this out and forgotten BUT, how do Cobb's projections, the train and Mal, show up in other people's dreams? I thought the world was created by the architect and populated only by the subconscious of the subject.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 12:50 pm to UnclassyStudent
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BUT, how do Cobb's projections, the train and Mal, show up in other people's dreams? I thought the world was created by the architect and populated only by the subconscious of the subject.
The train was a projection from Fisher's subconscious, not Dom's. The levels are created by the architect, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are the dreamer.
As explained in the film, Mal is essentially "bursting" through Dom's subconscious. Normally, the projections of only the subject's subconscious are present in the dream, however, in Dom's case, his projections of Mal, and his children, slip through the cracks.
This is why Ariadne kept asking Dom if "the others knew", and if it was "getting worse". It's also why Dom tried to keep himself in the dark about the layout of each labyrinth, because knowledge of the paths would make it easier for him to bring in his own projections.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 1:40 pm to Cs
The train was there because of Cobb.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 4:03 pm to Cs
One problem I have is why didn't Fischer recognize Saito? And how did he not know that his biggest competitor just bought the airline he was taking after his personal jet had mysterious damage?
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:06 pm to Dan In Real Life
Just got back from this movie. Really well made but a bit confusing. WIll have to watch it a second time
Also I believe the ending was a dream because at the end where he saw his kids, it was the same scene of his kids throughout the movie.
Also I believe the ending was a dream because at the end where he saw his kids, it was the same scene of his kids throughout the movie.
This post was edited on 7/24/10 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 7/24/10 at 7:58 pm to GeauxZone90
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it was the same scene of his kids throughout the movie.
Their shoes were different, and the girl was wearing a slightly different outfit. Also the actors were older than in the earlier parts.
Not saying it isn't necessarily a dream, just listing things people have used to say the alternative is true.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 8:26 pm to etm512
I just got back from it again...
Reflecting on the overall argument, I think we have taken it to far. I think there are arguments on both sides, and good ones at that.
But the most important moment of the film is Baloo's point. It doesn't matter whether or not the entire thing was a dream. If the film is about Cobb in reality or Cobb's psyche in a dream, there is one key thing that IS A FACT:
At the end of the film Cobb doesn't care whether it's reality or not. His walk away from the top is not one because he is sure of reality, it's precisely because he doesn't care. Real or not, Cobb has accepted his fate. That's the end of the film. Arguing over the rest is somewhat pointless.
Reflecting on the overall argument, I think we have taken it to far. I think there are arguments on both sides, and good ones at that.
But the most important moment of the film is Baloo's point. It doesn't matter whether or not the entire thing was a dream. If the film is about Cobb in reality or Cobb's psyche in a dream, there is one key thing that IS A FACT:
At the end of the film Cobb doesn't care whether it's reality or not. His walk away from the top is not one because he is sure of reality, it's precisely because he doesn't care. Real or not, Cobb has accepted his fate. That's the end of the film. Arguing over the rest is somewhat pointless.
This post was edited on 7/24/10 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 7/24/10 at 8:31 pm to Freauxzen
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At the end of the film Cobb doesn't care whether it's reality or not. His walk away from the top is not one because he is sure of reality, it's precisely because he doesn't care. Real or not, Cobb has accepted his fate. That's the end of the film. Arguing over the rest is somewhat pointless.
Exactamundo
Posted on 7/24/10 at 8:50 pm to Freauxzen
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At the end of the film Cobb doesn't care whether it's reality or not. His walk away from the top is not one because he is sure of reality, it's precisely because he doesn't care. Real or not, Cobb has accepted his fate. That's the end of the film. Arguing over the rest is somewhat pointless.
Good interpretation. Would have never thought about it like that
Posted on 7/24/10 at 9:58 pm to Freauxzen
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At the end of the film Cobb doesn't care whether it's reality or not. His walk away from the top is not one because he is sure of reality, it's precisely because he doesn't care. Real or not, Cobb has accepted his fate. That's the end of the film. Arguing over the rest is somewhat pointless.
This.
Perception is reality.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:07 pm to Freauxzen
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At the end of the film Cobb doesn't care whether it's reality or not. His walk away from the top is not one because he is sure of reality, it's precisely because he doesn't care. Real or not, Cobb has accepted his fate. That's the end of the film. Arguing over the rest is somewhat pointless.
I think he cares whether his kids are real or not. At least that's what he said several times.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:09 pm to LakeViewLSU
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I think he cares whether his kids are real or not. At least that's what he said several times.
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Perception is reality.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:16 pm to Freauxzen
Yeah but his whole search for reality was based on finding his real kids and seeing their faces.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:16 pm to Freauxzen
I am surprised Cs hasn't shown up yet
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:20 pm to LakeViewLSU
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Yeah but his whole search for reality was based on finding his real kids and seeing their faces.
That doesn't change the end though. He spins the top deliberately like he has all through the film. Then he just walks away, not caring about the finality of what it says. Not knowing if it is real or not is enough reality for him.
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:24 pm to Freauxzen
He probably realized that he didnt need the top any more. He had his real kids, frick a totem. 
Posted on 7/24/10 at 11:27 pm to LakeViewLSU
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He probably realized that he didnt need the top any more. He had his real kids, frick a totem.
But he's never sure it's reality, THAT'S why he spins the top.
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