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Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:01 am to DanglingFury
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All right man, what do you want? How would you like me to quantify this extremely obvious answer?
You said the entire second half the movie was punching/shooting/chasing. It's so patently false, that I'd be happy just putting it to a vote in a new thread.
It'd also be nice if you adopted a more truthful stance regarding my posts about movies.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:07 am to Tiger JJ
You don't consider the shootout that leads to the van chase with a train rolling thru city streets to the van falling off a bridge, the mountaintop shootout, the hotel hallway fight, and going to find Mal while the city/dream is collapsing around them...which is the brunt of the second half of the movie...action scenes?
As much as we don't get along, and look at the other as an obvious douche bag, I don't see how we can disagree that those are action scenes...
As much as we don't get along, and look at the other as an obvious douche bag, I don't see how we can disagree that those are action scenes...
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:10 am to Freauxzen
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Baloo is one of the best posters on here, regardless of his admin status.
brown-noser
j/k
This post was edited on 7/22/10 at 11:11 am
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:14 am to Tiger JJ
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Not that they're the last word on anything, but I find it interesting that the IMDB page for Inception lists the following genres for the movie:
So you don't consider the scenes I listed as examples of action scenes? If you don't, fine. Just means we have different opinions on action scenes. I still don't see how even as smart as Inception is, that those are not action scenes, and don't take up the lion's share of the second half of the movie.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:16 am to DanglingFury
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You don't consider the shootout that leads to the van chase with a train rolling thru city streets to the van falling off a bridge, the mountaintop shootout, the hotel hallway fight, and going to find Mal while the city/dream is collapsing around them...which is the brunt of the second half of the movie...action scenes?
Of course those are action scenes. And also of course they do not comprise literally the entire second half of the movie. I mean, they HAPPEN in the second half of the movie.
My point was for those scenes to be effective and have their place, I didn't need to see the full length of all that action - particularly the shootouts in the snow.
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As much as we don't get along, and look at the other as an obvious douche bag, I don't see how we can disagree that those are action scenes...
I had no idea you existed until you randomly started popping up making shite up about what I've posted.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:17 am to DanglingFury
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So you don't consider the scenes I listed as examples of action scenes?
Of course those are action scenes (except for the van falling).
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and don't take up the lion's share of the second half of the movie.
Does this mark the official start of the backtracking by you? Now we've moved from "more than half the movie is action, including the ENTIRE second half" to just "the lion's share"?
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:19 am to Tiger JJ
You sure do reply to me a lot though.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:23 am to Tiger JJ
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Does this mark the official start of the backtracking by you? Now we've moved from "more than half the movie is action, including the ENTIRE second half" to just "the lion's share"?
I was throwing the caveat in for your sake, not mine. I still maintain the stance that the second half of the movie is action.
And how is a van falling from a bridge not an action scene? Just because it's ridiculously slowed down, it's still action.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:23 am to DanglingFury
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You sure do reply to me a lot though.
You sure do back away a lot when confronted with evidence, though.
Again, I still basically have no idea who you are except for the a-hole who magically shows up in my threads to make up lies about me. Or, stated another way - you sure seem to be the a-hole who magically shows up in my threads to make up lies about me a lot, though.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:26 am to Tiger JJ
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I had no idea you existed
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I still basically have no idea who you are
Now who's back tracking...suddenly you have an idea who I am. Weird. How do you know I always show up in your threads if you don't know who I am?
ETA: What scenes are there in the second half of the movie for you to think it's not action? There's a lot less non action scenes than action scenes.
This post was edited on 7/22/10 at 11:36 am
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:36 am to DanglingFury
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And how is a van falling from a bridge not an action scene? Just because it's ridiculously slowed down, it's still action.
The van falling from the bridge was used over a period of like 45 minutes as a dramatic tool to display the warped timelines between the various levels. Clearly, if all the 2nd half was was van's smashing through barricades in real time and hitting the water, then yes, that would be action.
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What scenes are there in the second half of the movie for you to think it's not action?
Every scene that is not action. Scenes with his kids. Scenes with Mal. Scenes with Fischer talking to his uncle. The entire last few scenes - airplane, airport, back home, etc.
Why do you think it is that IMDB doesn't classify the movie as action?
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Now who's back tracking...suddenly you have an idea who I am. Weird.
Don't be stupid. I had no idea you existed until you popped up a few months ago to lie in my threads. And now, I STILL only know you as that. I literally have no idea if you are left/right, an OT tard or anything else about you.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:53 am to Tiger JJ
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I STILL only know you as that. I literally have no idea if you are left/right, an OT tard or anything else about you
I'm cool with that, I don't discuss politics on here, and rarely post on the OT.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:56 am to DanglingFury
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I'm cool with that, I don't discuss politics on here, and rarely post on the OT.
Right. So now back to the discussion at hand. More than half the movie is action and I hate all blockbusters by definition. Care to defend either coherently?
Posted on 7/22/10 at 11:59 am to Tiger JJ
I'm so glad that I'm getting into this thread right in the middle of a senseless pissing match.
I thought the movie was fantastic when I left the theater, and after several days to digest it, I think it was even better. I can't wait to see it again.
The most amazing thing to me is the number of theories that can be presented about the movie. I realize that there have been several ambiguous movies that have been debated, but I don't remember another where the debates included such convincing evidence from all sides. I have gone back and forth on the various theories and still have not decided for sure.
I have seen 3 major theories with several iterations of each, which have been pretty well fleshed out:
1. Everything Cobb thought was true. When he thought/told us it was a dream, it was. His perceived reality was reality.
2. The entire movie was a dream.
3. Everything Cobb thought was true up until the end, when he never actually woke up and was left in a dream that was either limbo or constructed to keep him happy.
I could actually make a pretty good argument for any of these and have seen good arguments for each of these.
I do have a question for those who believe that the entire movie was a dream. If that is the case, is Mal now in the real world and awake? If so, then it is possible that Cobb has convinced himself that she is a projection that he is bringing with him, when in reality it is really Mal who is entering his dream and trying to pull him out of it.
I thought the movie was fantastic when I left the theater, and after several days to digest it, I think it was even better. I can't wait to see it again.
The most amazing thing to me is the number of theories that can be presented about the movie. I realize that there have been several ambiguous movies that have been debated, but I don't remember another where the debates included such convincing evidence from all sides. I have gone back and forth on the various theories and still have not decided for sure.
I have seen 3 major theories with several iterations of each, which have been pretty well fleshed out:
1. Everything Cobb thought was true. When he thought/told us it was a dream, it was. His perceived reality was reality.
2. The entire movie was a dream.
3. Everything Cobb thought was true up until the end, when he never actually woke up and was left in a dream that was either limbo or constructed to keep him happy.
I could actually make a pretty good argument for any of these and have seen good arguments for each of these.
I do have a question for those who believe that the entire movie was a dream. If that is the case, is Mal now in the real world and awake? If so, then it is possible that Cobb has convinced himself that she is a projection that he is bringing with him, when in reality it is really Mal who is entering his dream and trying to pull him out of it.
This post was edited on 7/22/10 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/22/10 at 12:00 pm to BhamTigah
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I do have a question for those who believe that the entire movie was a dream. If that is the case, is Mal now in the real world and awake? If so, then it is possible that Cobb has convinced himself that she is a projection that he is bringing with him, when in reality it is really Mal who is entering his dream and trying to pull him out of it.
Interesting...dammit.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 12:03 pm to BhamTigah
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The most amazing thing to me is the number of theories that canbe presented about the movie. I realize that there have been several ambiguous movies that have been debated, but I don't remember another where the debates included such convincing evidence from all sides.
Which is both good and bad, as theories can rest on the head of a pin.
What really has begun to irk me is Nolan's limbo. I think there could have been a more succinct understanding of it for the audience, which would NOT hamper any theory on the film. Making it so oblivious has caused lots of confusion and pointless arguments.
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I have seen 3 major theories with several iterations of each, which have been pretty well fleshed out:
1. Everything Cobb thought was true. When he thought/told us it was a dream, it was. His perceived reality was reality.
2. The entire movie was a dream.
3. Everything Cobb thought was true up until the end, when he never actually woke up and was left in a dream that wa either limbo or constructed to keep him happy.
I agree, these are the primary ways to look at the film.
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I do have a question for those who believe that the entire movie was a dream. If that is the case, is Mal now in the real world and awake? If so, then it is possible that Cobb has convinced himself that she is a projection that he is bringing with him, when in reality it is really Mal who is entering his dream and trying to pull him out of it.
If she exists at all, maybe. She could have just moved up a level. Or does the projection really operate "outside" of her personality? Could the argument be made that that isn't a projection at all?
This post was edited on 7/22/10 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/22/10 at 12:12 pm to BhamTigah
quote:You know, the "it's all a dream" argument was gaining traction with me, due to the closing corridors and such... and then you have to go and do this. That's gonna keep me awake at night.
I do have a question for those who believe that the entire movie was a dream. If that is the case, is Mal now in the real world and awake? If so, then it is possible that Cobb has convinced himself that she is a projection that he is bringing with him, when in reality it is really Mal who is entering his dream and trying to pull him out of it.
But yeah, I think if you think it through, given my interpretation of the film that the last limbo is "Level Zero" that Cobb thinks is limbo when in fact he's moved up the ladder, then Mal was right and has woken up. That is the obvious implication. Wierd. I have a headache.
Posted on 7/22/10 at 12:14 pm to Baloo
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That's gonna keep me awake at night.
Sorry B, but misery loves company.
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