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re: Official Dark Knight Discussion Thread (Spoilers)
Posted on 7/20/08 at 12:37 pm to hashtag
Posted on 7/20/08 at 12:37 pm to hashtag
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do you really believe this crap?
the better question is why are you making it your personal mission to go against the masses and NOT believe "this crap?" and even beyond that, why do you even give a frick that other people think he was the best villain of all time? its not something thats ever going to be factually proven one way or the other.
This post was edited on 7/20/08 at 12:39 pm
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Posted on 7/20/08 at 12:41 pm to latiger09
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the better question is why are you making it your personal mission to go against the masses and NOT believe "this crap?" and even beyond that, why do you even give a frick that other people think he was the best villain of all time? its not something thats ever going to be factually proven one way or the other.
it isn't my personal mission. I think he did a fine job. But, if he hadn't killed himself, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Also, in a few months, when the hype has died down, you'll rewatch this movie. Then, you'll realize that it was great, but not close to being the best ever or the best performance ever by an actor (even for a villian).
Posted on 7/20/08 at 12:48 pm to hashtag
1 thing that pissed me off: and I think it was already mentioned: SPOILERS
Batman taking the fall for Dent so that Gotham could have a real person as a hero. As already mentioned, there were multiple people that it could have been blamed on. It's not like Dent was going around and killing people in public. No one saw it happen. They could have easily pushed the blame to Joker as everyone in Gotham knew he was a villian.
I realize they were setting up a 3rd movie and Batman being evil from the citizens perspective. But, it was a huge jump in plot and if they were going to blame it on Batman, they could have done better.
Ex: Media helicopter is covering the warehouse scene with Two-Face, Batman, and Gordon from outside. There is live coverage of Batman throwing Dent out of the building and Gordon could then blame Batman for Dent's death. As opposed to randomly blaming Batman for killing crooked cops and having people care.
Just a small example of something else that I think would have worked better.
Batman taking the fall for Dent so that Gotham could have a real person as a hero. As already mentioned, there were multiple people that it could have been blamed on. It's not like Dent was going around and killing people in public. No one saw it happen. They could have easily pushed the blame to Joker as everyone in Gotham knew he was a villian.
I realize they were setting up a 3rd movie and Batman being evil from the citizens perspective. But, it was a huge jump in plot and if they were going to blame it on Batman, they could have done better.
Ex: Media helicopter is covering the warehouse scene with Two-Face, Batman, and Gordon from outside. There is live coverage of Batman throwing Dent out of the building and Gordon could then blame Batman for Dent's death. As opposed to randomly blaming Batman for killing crooked cops and having people care.
Just a small example of something else that I think would have worked better.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 12:49 pm to hashtag
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it isn't my personal mission
your last 4 posts on this board indicate otherwise.
"maybe the most overrated movie and most overrated acting jobs in a long time......"
"do you really believe this crap? or, are you just repeating the crap you've heard from everyone for the last few months? Why don't you take a breath, relax, and think back....."
"But, if he hadn't killed himself, we wouldn't be having this conversation."
"you can deny it all you want. But, his death alone put this movie over the top for millions of people...."
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But, if he hadn't killed himself, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
more like, you are pissed that he got so much hype for his performance before the movie even came up, and for some reason you are really pissed he lived up to it.
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Also, in a few months, when the hype has died down, you'll rewatch this movie. Then, you'll realize that it was great, but not close to being the best ever or the best performance ever by an actor (even for a villian).
no i wont. why is my opinion going to change of the movie now after ive already seen it and decided it was incredible?
Posted on 7/20/08 at 12:51 pm to latiger09
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more like, you are pissed that he got so much hype for his performance before the movie even came up, and for some reason you are really pissed he lived up to it.
why do you think I'm pissed? Obviously you won't be honest with yourself. But, his death added 10x the amount of hype on him and the movie in general. While both were pretty dang good, neither were excellent or "best ever" material.
And, if you don't think his death had a huge influence on millions of peoples opinions of this movie and his performance, obviously, you are one of the millions.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 12:54 pm to latiger09
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no i wont. why is my opinion going to change of the movie now after ive already seen it and decided it was incredible?
because you've just got back from the honeymoon. When the next good movie comes out, you'll say it was the best ever and the trend will continue. Was his performance really better than Hopkins in Lambs? Or, do you just think it is because you haven't seen Lambs in 12 years and you saw TDK 4 times in the last 3 days?
Posted on 7/20/08 at 12:58 pm to hashtag
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why do you think I'm pissed?
i really have no idea. its just blatantly obvious that you are making a point to go against the masses just to do it.
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Obviously you won't be honest with yourself.
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But, his death added 10x the amount of hype on him and the movie in general.
so what you are saying is that if heath ledger had not died, this movie wouldve only made $15 million dollars this weekend.
who's the one not being honest with themselves here?
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And, if you don't think his death had a huge influence on millions of peoples opinions of this movie and his performance, obviously, you are one of the millions.
i already knew i was going to see this movie as soon as i saw the trailer for it in the fall. my expectations for it were put pretty high then, and only increased with every new trailer or clip or info that came out.
my opinion of this movie and his performance have absolutely nothing to do with heath ledger's death. but as ive said, you seem to be making a point of trying to downplay and discredit his performance BECAUSE he died.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:03 pm to hashtag
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because you've just got back from the honeymoon.
ive been off the honeymoon for over 2 days now.
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When the next good movie comes out, you'll say it was the best ever and the trend will continue.
really? how many times have you seen me come on this board and say a movie i just was the best ever? or better yet, how many times have i done that before period since you obviously know me so well?
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Was his performance really better than Hopkins in Lambs?
why wasnt it?
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Or, do you just think it is because you haven't seen Lambs in 12 years and you saw TDK 4 times in the last 3 days?
ive watched silence of the lambs since the summer has started, and ive seen dark knight once.
try again.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:08 pm to latiger09
his death has nothing to do with the fact that he absolutely rocked the shite out of this role.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:13 pm to hashtag
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Batman taking the fall for Dent so that Gotham could have a real person as a hero. As already mentioned, there were multiple people that it could have been blamed on. It's not like Dent was going around and killing people in public. No one saw it happen. They could have easily pushed the blame to Joker as everyone in Gotham knew he was a villian.
No they couldn't. The Joker is alive and incarcerated, and since the whole question revolves around JUSTICE and heroism, they pinned the murders on the guy who VOLUNTEERED to take the blame rather than a guy who, though despicable, is INNOCENT of those murders.
I also don't believe that this was the greatest movie ever (although I loved it), but use your fricking head before taking on the smarmy, contrary douchebag role.
And Ledger's performance was raved about by Nolan, Bale and Oldman long before he died. I still like Darth and Hannibal better, but it was a great performance nonetheless.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:21 pm to blueboy
i never said it wasn't good. Just not the best ever.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:21 pm to blueboy
That movie is awesome, and the bat bike is stupid badass.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i definitely need to see it again, preferably when the movie theater isn't packed with nerds and i haven't been up 20 hours or so.
SlowFlowPro look at your post count and look at how much time you spend of this website. You have no right to label a nerd when you are the textbook definition of one. Please find a hobby a girl or a job your post are ridiculous and annoy a lot of people. Sorry about this had to get it off my chest
This post was edited on 7/20/08 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:24 pm to blueboy
Star wars sucks by the way. Dark Knight was def a top 10 movie of all time. Ledger was brilliant as the Joker not just a scary villian but for his comedic role as well. There were so many twists that no one was expecting that made the movie even more interesting. I haven't seen someone more into a character than Ledger in a while and one that the audience actually likes. I can't stop thinking how great of a movie this was. the hobbit will be the next great movie. SlowFloPro has to many posts it is getting to be mentally disgusting 111,000 posts in 4 years wow
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:30 pm to CP3JR25
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I haven't seen someone more into a character than Ledger in a while and one that the audience actually likes.
Johnny Depp - Captain Jack Sparrow comes to mind.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:34 pm to hashtag
you you'd rate that performance better than Ledger's?
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:40 pm to BilJ
i never said better. He said:
Everyone was saying the exact same thing about Depp after the first Pirates movie. Just an observation. Same thing was said about Hopkins in the Silence of the Lambs. I'm sure there are many more movies that people felt this way about on the Sunday after the movie released.
Tom Hanks in Philadelphia and Forrest Gump also come to mind.
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I haven't seen someone more into a character than Ledger in a while and one that the audience actually likes.
Everyone was saying the exact same thing about Depp after the first Pirates movie. Just an observation. Same thing was said about Hopkins in the Silence of the Lambs. I'm sure there are many more movies that people felt this way about on the Sunday after the movie released.
Tom Hanks in Philadelphia and Forrest Gump also come to mind.
This post was edited on 7/20/08 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:42 pm to CP3JR25
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Star wars sucks by the way.
I'm heartbroken.
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SlowFloPro has to many posts it is getting to be mentally disgusting 111,000 posts in 4 years wow
Real clever. You're fricking fired as my attorney again.
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:44 pm to hashtag
Johnny Depp was awesome in the first one then it got kind of old. He was badass i agree. but ledger was unbelievable. This was being said before he died so it's not like i'm saying this because he died the performance made people in awe
Posted on 7/20/08 at 1:44 pm to blueboy
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Real clever. You're fricking fired as my attorney again.
what does this mean i said something about slowflowpro one time and somebody asked me is i was in law school. Is this an inside joke i don't get.
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