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re: Official Avengers: Endgame SPOILERS/Discussion/Reviews Thread
Posted on 4/27/19 at 10:27 pm to BOSCEAUX
Posted on 4/27/19 at 10:27 pm to BOSCEAUX
How in the frick did hawkeye and black widow not know who Red Skull was??
He was in the history books.
That was a missed opportunity to mention to Cap thats where they got the stone from, see his reaction
He was in the history books.
That was a missed opportunity to mention to Cap thats where they got the stone from, see his reaction
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 10:27 pm to MF Doom
quote:Not quite different realities, I don't think it's that clear cut.
But she killed her in the present timeline. IMO, the time travel was all in the same universe, but like Tony said earlier, it doesn't change the present. Going back and killing baby Thanos doesn't do shite for the present, remember?
No shite
because they're in different realities
Time is merely another set of coordinates on a grid, like X is horizontal, Y is vertical, Z is spacial (3-D instead of a flat grid).
Time can be the T axis, putting a When to the Where.
Then, you get the Quantum Realm, where everything basically is compressed and static, like inside a Black Hole (a quantum singularity). This is basically a substrate to Reality, allowing you to travel to Anywhere and Anywhen.
The Pym Particles compress you down to the singularity, instead of gravity- so it isn't lethal, and you can navigate within it.
When you're not in the Quantum Realm, there's actually infinite instances of everything- Steve Rogers in 2014 at 1 pm, at 1:01 pm, etc. Moving the 2023 instance to a different point on the T grid doesn't negate the other instances, since they exist. This is why 2023 Nebula can kill 2014 Nebula and not disappear, as she's plotted on that grid already.
That's why killing the 2014 Thanos doesn't negate the snap... from the perspective of 2023 reality. To that point, they've already been plotted out. You can't perceive the difference because it's already occurred. You're creating a new set of T-coordinates, different instances, but not creating alternate pasts.
Short answer is, 2014 Thanos that was killed in 2023, is not the same Thanos instance that went on to gather and use the Stones to snap. That's why Nebula doesn't suddenly acquire her (past instance)'s new memories, it's a separate instance from the moment they veered off. They separated but were unable to perceive each other, but because of the oddity of the neural links Thanos can access both instances to view.
Can't wait to see the crazy Science guys dissect this film, I'd love to see some genius intellectuals try to flesh out this theoretically.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 10:36 pm to slackster
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Why couldn't he just go back and live life as a regular Joe?
You ever see the movie Primer? It's kinda like that type of time travel.
When you go back in time and change something you don't change the future. You create a splintered timeline.
There's now a timeline where Loki escapes in 2012 and a timeline where thanos doesn't exist after 2014
Posted on 4/27/19 at 10:37 pm to BranchDawg
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I was really hoping it was Luis driving it with some kind of machine gun
Luis doesn't need a machine gun. He can knock out anyone with one punch.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 10:53 pm to Scoob
All in all it was a great finish.
Cap finally found peace, after living a lifetime as a fighter. No problem with him passing on the shield to Sam over Bucky who looked cool with the move. But, where is Mjolnir now, he took it with him to the past as well?
Tony got to die to save everyone like he was ready to do after seeing his vision of him being the sole survivor. Him hugging Peter in the heat of the final battle showed how guilt ridden he was for "losing the kid"
Hawkeye got his family back but at a cost. It was cool seeing him go full Ronin, I wish we got to see a little more of that as he was stackin bodies this whole time since the snap. "What I want, you cant give me," Cold af before putting the coup de gras on ol last samurai boy.
Thor's lost more than anyone during all of this, really doesnt bother me that he is now aligning himself with the Guardians as he and Rocket are always good for a laugh. Rocket slapping him was
Its been an awesome 10 years.
Cap finally found peace, after living a lifetime as a fighter. No problem with him passing on the shield to Sam over Bucky who looked cool with the move. But, where is Mjolnir now, he took it with him to the past as well?
Tony got to die to save everyone like he was ready to do after seeing his vision of him being the sole survivor. Him hugging Peter in the heat of the final battle showed how guilt ridden he was for "losing the kid"
Hawkeye got his family back but at a cost. It was cool seeing him go full Ronin, I wish we got to see a little more of that as he was stackin bodies this whole time since the snap. "What I want, you cant give me," Cold af before putting the coup de gras on ol last samurai boy.
Thor's lost more than anyone during all of this, really doesnt bother me that he is now aligning himself with the Guardians as he and Rocket are always good for a laugh. Rocket slapping him was
Its been an awesome 10 years.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 10:57 pm to stateofplay
I just got out, i thought it was great. Timetraveling plot holes created withstanding.
I never thought there’d be another moment for me like the first time I saw the Ride of the Rohirrim in RoTK but damn when everybody showed up through the portals in the final fight scene it rivaled that.
Question for my comic book bros, it was probably already mentioned but I’m not reading over 1000 posts to find out...
It was established in Ragnorak that Mjolnir was not the source of Thor’s power and lighting, how was Cap able to channel lightning? Has he done that in the comics before? It was an awesome moment, but that immediately stuck out to me, how did he do that?
I never thought there’d be another moment for me like the first time I saw the Ride of the Rohirrim in RoTK but damn when everybody showed up through the portals in the final fight scene it rivaled that.
Question for my comic book bros, it was probably already mentioned but I’m not reading over 1000 posts to find out...
It was established in Ragnorak that Mjolnir was not the source of Thor’s power and lighting, how was Cap able to channel lightning? Has he done that in the comics before? It was an awesome moment, but that immediately stuck out to me, how did he do that?
Posted on 4/27/19 at 10:57 pm to slackster
I liked this movie quite a bit, but I would say Infinity War is the better film. It had better pacing and benefits greatly from the various interactions between all the different superheroes.
Captain Marvel, despite being hyped so heavily coming into this film, really didn't do much. She's at the very beginning of the film although the scene where she first shows up at the Avengers compound appeared to have been cut from the film, so even though I sat through the post credits scene, it was jarring watching her interact with the Avengers team despite no introduction.
After the time jump, she's like "Nope, too busy to come to earth" and doesn't show up again until the last 15 minutes of the film. She might've had half a page of dialogue.
Oh, and I had to laugh at the feminist/lesbian empowerment moment in the final battle. Get used to a lot of that in the next 10 years as Disney exerts more influence over Marvel's MCU.
The time travel did lead to some cool moments, but I guess I just expected more. They seemed to have a pretty easy time getting those stones when it's all said and done. I guess the jump to the 1970s allowed Tony Stark to have some character development. The same with Thor in Asgard. I feel like the stuff with Loki and the battle for New York sets up his series on Disney Plus.
I do not know if I really like a past version of Thanos essentially being the main villain of this movie. I guess they kind of wrote themselves into a corner by killing current timeline Thanos 10 minutes into the film, but there's just no emotional connection to this version of Thanos. It didn't help either that he felt like a different character. Much more stereotypical evil than the nuanced portrayal he got in Infinity War.
He's also absurdly overpowered compared to the version of himself with all the infinity stones in Infinity War. It was weird how easily Thor handled Thanos at the end of the last film yet they all struggled so mightily against depowered Thanos at the end of this film.
The final battle felt very much like what they were trying to avoid with Infinity War. There were so many characters involved in the battle that they were absolutely unable to give adequate screen-time to everyone. Characters like the Guardians of the Galaxy just got lost in the shuffle, and there were weird cuts like 2014 Gamora completely disappearing from the movie after kicking Peter Quill in the nuts and Captain Marvel disappearing from the film after getting punched by Thanos (until the funeral scene).
Hulk turning into Professor Hulk was fine, but it was so jarring and explained away in such a throwaway fashion.
They have also murdered Thor's character. Fat Thor was a fun gag, but at some point, he should've reverted back to his old self before the final battle.
Captain America's sendoff felt very abrupt. Like the writers went "oh shite, we've got 5 minutes left in this film and haven't written off Captain America yet!" He goes back in time to deliver the stones then randomly decides to travel back to 1945 to live out the rest of his life with Peggy.
Then elderly Captain America appears to Bucky and Falcon and completely fricks up the rules they had earlier established regarding time travel.
Not a bad movie at all. It was enjoyable; however, I feel like it collapsed under its own weight in a way that Infinity War was largely able to avoid.
Captain Marvel, despite being hyped so heavily coming into this film, really didn't do much. She's at the very beginning of the film although the scene where she first shows up at the Avengers compound appeared to have been cut from the film, so even though I sat through the post credits scene, it was jarring watching her interact with the Avengers team despite no introduction.
After the time jump, she's like "Nope, too busy to come to earth" and doesn't show up again until the last 15 minutes of the film. She might've had half a page of dialogue.
Oh, and I had to laugh at the feminist/lesbian empowerment moment in the final battle. Get used to a lot of that in the next 10 years as Disney exerts more influence over Marvel's MCU.
The time travel did lead to some cool moments, but I guess I just expected more. They seemed to have a pretty easy time getting those stones when it's all said and done. I guess the jump to the 1970s allowed Tony Stark to have some character development. The same with Thor in Asgard. I feel like the stuff with Loki and the battle for New York sets up his series on Disney Plus.
I do not know if I really like a past version of Thanos essentially being the main villain of this movie. I guess they kind of wrote themselves into a corner by killing current timeline Thanos 10 minutes into the film, but there's just no emotional connection to this version of Thanos. It didn't help either that he felt like a different character. Much more stereotypical evil than the nuanced portrayal he got in Infinity War.
He's also absurdly overpowered compared to the version of himself with all the infinity stones in Infinity War. It was weird how easily Thor handled Thanos at the end of the last film yet they all struggled so mightily against depowered Thanos at the end of this film.
The final battle felt very much like what they were trying to avoid with Infinity War. There were so many characters involved in the battle that they were absolutely unable to give adequate screen-time to everyone. Characters like the Guardians of the Galaxy just got lost in the shuffle, and there were weird cuts like 2014 Gamora completely disappearing from the movie after kicking Peter Quill in the nuts and Captain Marvel disappearing from the film after getting punched by Thanos (until the funeral scene).
Hulk turning into Professor Hulk was fine, but it was so jarring and explained away in such a throwaway fashion.
They have also murdered Thor's character. Fat Thor was a fun gag, but at some point, he should've reverted back to his old self before the final battle.
Captain America's sendoff felt very abrupt. Like the writers went "oh shite, we've got 5 minutes left in this film and haven't written off Captain America yet!" He goes back in time to deliver the stones then randomly decides to travel back to 1945 to live out the rest of his life with Peggy.
Then elderly Captain America appears to Bucky and Falcon and completely fricks up the rules they had earlier established regarding time travel.
Not a bad movie at all. It was enjoyable; however, I feel like it collapsed under its own weight in a way that Infinity War was largely able to avoid.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:00 pm to Frac the world
quote:
Question for my comic book bros, it was probably already mentioned but I’m not reading over 1000 posts to find out...
It was established in Ragnorak that Mjolnir was not the source of Thor’s power and lighting, how was Cap able to channel lightning? Has he done that in the comics before? It was an awesome moment, but that immediately stuck out to me, how did he do that?
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:00 pm to Frac the world
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how was Cap able to channel lightning?
I asked this as well. I guess with the worthyness to lift Mjolnir comes the power to summon the lightning. Cap damn sure looked like he knew what he was doing though. He was frying Thanos arse
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:05 pm to BulldogXero
quote:
It was weird how easily Thor handled Thanos at the end of the last film yet they all struggled so mightily against depowered Thanos at the end of this film.
Agreed till right here. He never handled Thanos. He hit him with lightning from Storm Breaker then threw it through his chest yet Thanos was still able to snap and portal away.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:05 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:
"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."
And there we have it
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:06 pm to dbuchanon
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Agreed till right here. He never handled Thanos. He hit him with lightning from Storm Breaker then threw it through his chest yet Thanos was still able to snap and portal away.
And he never thought to try that move again?
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:11 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Alright I guess that answers my question then
Thanos pre stones was still fricking unstoppable, he absolutely manhandled the big three minus those 15 seconds of Cap taking it to him.
Can’t get over that assemble moment before the charge, so awesome to see 30 something characters comprising 20 something movies all in one fight scene.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:14 pm to BulldogXero
Thor fought Thanos with Mjolnir and Storm breaker simultaneously, Thanos was up to the task of holding his own even with Cap on his back helping.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:14 pm to lsuguy84
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Because Hawkeye sacrificed everything by losing his family
He didn’t sacrifice anything
It was forcefully taken from him.
It’s a whole new world of late night introspection when you kill directly kill someone you care for, someone who didn’t need to die, to gain an object of personal power.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:15 pm to Frac the world
quote:
Can’t get over that assemble moment before the charge, so awesome to see 30 something characters comprising 20 something movies all in one fight scene.
"On your left"
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:15 pm to BulldogXero
quote:
And he never thought to try that move again?
He threw Stormbreaker at Thanos, but unlike in Infinity War, Thanos didn't try and stop it with the Guantlet. He just caught it.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:15 pm to Frac the world
Mjølnir can channel lightning. Thor doesn’t need it to channel his lightning. He’s not the God of Hammers.
And Cap took Mjølnir back in time with him to help him along the way.
And America’s arse was chiseled with that hammer.
And Cap took Mjølnir back in time with him to help him along the way.
And America’s arse was chiseled with that hammer.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:17 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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Mjølnir can channel lightning. Thor doesn’t need it to channel his lightning. He’s not the God of Hammers.
This
quote:
And America’s arse was chiseled with that hammer.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 11:17 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Infinity War was the better movie, but this was a good ending for this group.
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