re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*

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Oh Nolan, someone who dissects the perils of good and evil with such, why do something so....generic? Gone are the awesome cries of the Joker's what do people do when all hope is lost? Even after all of Bane's talking about Gotham crawling over each other for the light WE NEVER SEE IT

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One of my main complaints with the ending is that it was exceptionally trite and unoriginal, but I think TDKR does a better job of not only showing Gotham losing control of itself, but of the people struggling. There are various scenes in TDKR that show how Gotham has become a puppet city, under complete control, while in TDK, that "hopelessness" was never really conveyed.

Didn't the Joker say something similar in TDK?

"Come nightfall, this city is mine, and anyone left here plays by my rules. If you don't want to be in the game, get out now. But the bridge and tunnel crowd are in for a surprise."

And yet we didn't see how the city "became his". It never really seemed like there was much of a omnipresent threat for the people of Gotham in TDK. Why were the tunnel and bridge crowds in for a surprise? We never saw or found out why. Instead, we got a rather lame scene involving two ferry's. Prior to that, the Joker implodes an empty hospital. It just never felt that the Joker was terrorizing Gotham on any grand scale.

Man the one huge problem I had with this movie is the Gotham Rogues having Hines Ward as their KR. I mean come on put Mike Wallace back there for some speed. Just lazy writing on their part.

I thought this was interesting, from another board:

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The Dark Knight holds an all critics percentage of 94% with an average rating of 8.5. This is a very loving score. The top critics rating is a 91% and average of 8/10.

Inception has 86% and an 8/10, with a top critics of 80% and 7.4/10. Inception is consistently viewed as a hugely critically acclaimed film, and was represented as such in similar articles mentioned to the ones above (I tracked Inception's box office religiously).

The Dark Knight Rises has an 87%, and an 8/10, with top critics 75% and 7.9/10. Note: it has one percent higher percentage and the same average rating as Inception's general rating, and .4 higher in the average rating than Inception, despite being 5% lower. It's pretty puzzling Rises isn't first and foremost being discussed as a hugely critically acclaimed film when it's critical reception is as warm if not warmer than Inception's.

What's the most significant fact of the above is that despite the Rises top critic rating being significantly lower then The Dark Knight's (17%), it's only .1 lower in the average. This indicates the 75% of reviews that gave Rises a fresh rating awarded it a much higher average rating than it did The Dark Knight, so as to balance out the 25% who did not to a 7.9/10. The top critics are the ones (obviously so) viewed with esteem and credibility, and the ones that get the most attention from those seeking out reviews.

Basically, The Dark Knight Rises was received as warmly if not more so than Inception, a film viewed as hugely critically successful with glowing reviews from a wide number of publications, and while neither Inception nor Rises touch The Dark Knight's general rating, Rises is far above Inception's and damned close to Rises' despite the huge difference in percent, so it sure as hell should be viewed as a massive critical success.

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He looks up, smiles, and gives a toast with his cup like he did. I like it

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1. Batman - Not Enough
In a trilogy about the birth, acceptance, and release of the Batman symbol. There just wasn't enough Batman. And I don't even mean that in a physical sense, I mean that in a literal sense. Even the Batman we saw wasn't really Batman. I don't think the "crippled" Batman at that point played out well at all. I don't think he was smart enough, or a detective. The only truly "outsmarting" thing he did was fix the autopilot and not tell anyone. How did he beat Bane? By just punching him (and he didn't even beat Bane, and he was outsmarted by someone else). The only other Batman feature he revealed was his resolve.

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I can agree with this. Batman is supposed to be a supergenius and master tactican. Batman in the comics is the most paranoid individual ever. He would have contigency plan after contigency plan for a contigency plan. He's a member of the Justice League and is friends with them and yet he is constantly updating his plans to neutralize them if they ever go bad. I would have liked to see some of that obsessiveness come to life in this trilogy.

The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, and Hush storylines are good exmaples of detective work by Batman.

I would also have liked to see him demonostrate the superior intelligence Batman can be famous for like working in a lab or engaging in a philosophical debate with someone.

But all in all, it's was not enough to piss me off because the resolve and character that is so important to Batman was in this trilogy. And that character is iron hard resolve. And that alone at the least will make a good movie.

Whether or not it was great is anyone's opinion. Personally I loved this trilogy and it is great to me and will stand the test of time. It doesn't matter which one is the best. As a whole, they're all great.

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And also, Alfred said that they wouldn't look at each other or wave in his dreams, but at the end Bruce waves and smiles.

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Incorrect, Alfred clearly states that during his dream they would simply acknowledge each other with a simply nod but NEVER speak to each other.

I've seen RISES four times now, so I'm willing to throw my message board cred out there, lol.

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then be complaining that Nolan just did the same thing he did in inception? I could hear the complaints now

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frick yeah they would....even though almost all Nolan movies end with a "what would happen next" feel.

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we got a rather lame scene involving two ferry's

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GTFO

Question.

What is the significance of the brand mark on Tahlia's back?
They went out of the way to show it during the love scene with Bruce Wayne. It looked like a boomerang .