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re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*
Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:46 pm to Joe
Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:46 pm to Joe
Just got back from the movie. Didn't read any spoilers and not going through 70 pages of this thread. But I had pretty high expectations and they were not met. I didn't really like the movie.
There were several things that I just found ridiculous and it started out with the entire first scene. I know it's a movie but damn.. one plane hooking on to another like that? Really? Then the entire movie Batman gets his arse kicked and just happens to escape and trek across the world somehow with a couple hours to spare. I feel like Gotham lost. Several thousand dead. Entire buildings and infrastructure destroyed. 3 months of warlord rule (yet somehow these people all had time to wash their clothes, take showers, and put on makeup).
I really enjoyed the first two movies. And I'm sure I will get bashed for this but I don't really think I am off base here. Did anyone else feel this way?
There were several things that I just found ridiculous and it started out with the entire first scene. I know it's a movie but damn.. one plane hooking on to another like that? Really? Then the entire movie Batman gets his arse kicked and just happens to escape and trek across the world somehow with a couple hours to spare. I feel like Gotham lost. Several thousand dead. Entire buildings and infrastructure destroyed. 3 months of warlord rule (yet somehow these people all had time to wash their clothes, take showers, and put on makeup).
I really enjoyed the first two movies. And I'm sure I will get bashed for this but I don't really think I am off base here. Did anyone else feel this way?
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 11:59 pm
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Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:55 pm to PhiTiger1764
quote:Lots of us did.
really enjoyed the first two movies. And I'm sure I will get bashed for this but I don't really think I am off base here. Did anyone else feel this way?
And yes, prepare to be bashed
Posted on 7/25/12 at 12:00 am to PhiTiger1764
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There were several things that I just found ridiculous and it started out with the entire first scene. I know it's a movie but damn.. one plane hooking on to another like that? Really
And yet James Bond gets away with crap like this all the time. Eesh.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 12:01 am to PhiTiger1764
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I know it's a movie but damn.. one plane hooking on to another like that? Really?
I've seen a lot of whittling and nit picking over, ultimately what's an entertaining experience, but this is the first time I've seen the opening sequence panned. I thought that shite looked sweet, and they used mostly practical fx. You suck Scoob.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 12:05 am to Scoob
Believe me, if you say you don't like the movie I'm fine with that. Everyone has the right to their own opinion. You don't like how the relationship between Miranda and Bruce was developed? Fine...I actually agree with you. I think her lack of development may have hurt the twist at the end of the film, but it didn't hurt or enhance my experience because I had seen that twist coming for a full year before I even saw the film. What I don't get, however, are the nitpicks. And yes, they are nitpicks. Things like the first scene of the movie where one plane hooks onto another. Holy crap, guys...unbelievable stuff like that happens in movies all the time. How is it that Nolan's Batman movies don't get the same pass that films like Die Hard and Terminator 2 get? Those are two films that are widely regarded as the two best action films of all-time and yet both films have logic gaps and other nitpicking flaws that are very similar in scope to those found in Christopher Nolan's Batman movies.
This post was edited on 7/25/12 at 12:07 am
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:09 am to RollTide1987
Dunno if mentioned yet..but did anyone notice that when bane and company left the stock market on dirt bikes that it was daylight outside, and when the 8 minutes is finished for whatever operation they were trying to do, it is pitch dark outside?
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:18 am to Make It Rayne
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Dunno if mentioned yet..but did anyone notice that when bane and company left the stock market on dirt bikes that it was daylight outside, and when the 8 minutes is finished for whatever operation they were trying to do, it is pitch dark outside?
Yes. It bothered me
Posted on 7/25/12 at 7:56 am to DanglingFury
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Oh, and other familiar faces - Carcetti ... The Wire.
The guy that plays Petyr Baelish from Game of Thrones was in it too.
Carcetti, Baelish/Littlefinger, same guy, but he's best known as Miles Jackson from the John Cena masterpiece 12 Rounds
Posted on 7/25/12 at 8:11 am to Make It Rayne
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Dunno if mentioned yet..but did anyone notice that when bane and company left the stock market on dirt bikes that it was daylight outside, and when the 8 minutes is finished for whatever operation they were trying to do, it is pitch dark outside?
I have seen this brought up more than a few times and the criticism is not unwarranted. However, if you notice, when they are leaving the exchange (behind the "wall" of people before the bikes come through) it is clearly late in the afternoon or very early evening (still plenty of light, but arguably reaching "twilight"). The next scene is actually in the tunnel. By the time they get out (to the surface), it is dark. Now, all of this is supposed to be happening within 8 minutes, but if you recall, by the time Batman gets the last rider, the application is complete, so there's no indication as to how long that was from when the 8 minutes was supposed to start.
Again, it does not get pitch black in 8 minutes, but that is something I can overlook in light of the great "reveal" of Batman for this movie.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 8:37 am to udtiger
I'd just like to point out for my own self gratification, that in the very short lived "Predict Rottentomatoes rating of these films..." thread back on May 7th, I said:
Link below to my Nostradamus like foresight. Some might say "Nostradamus," yet I think most would say "Captain Obvious."
Me being awesome/:csb:
In full disclosure, I was not so awesome with my predictions for Prometheus (I predicted 79, came in at 73) or Dark Shadows (predicted 54%, came in at a lowly 40%).
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TDKR - 86
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86 for TDKR is still a solid score. I think the movie might have a chance to be judged too harshly due to inflated expectations.
Link below to my Nostradamus like foresight. Some might say "Nostradamus," yet I think most would say "Captain Obvious."
Me being awesome/:csb:
In full disclosure, I was not so awesome with my predictions for Prometheus (I predicted 79, came in at 73) or Dark Shadows (predicted 54%, came in at a lowly 40%).
This post was edited on 7/25/12 at 8:42 am
Posted on 7/25/12 at 8:39 am to busbeepbeep
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Carcetti, Baelish/Littlefinger, same guy,
Yeah, man...I know.
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he's best known as Miles Jackson from the John Cena masterpiece 12 Rounds
Hell yeah he is.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 8:45 am to DanglingFury
I've been blasted for saying that Avengers is a better film because it hit a bullseye while TDKR missed. I think there are enough holes in this film for the 86 to be justified,inflated expectations or not.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:07 am to RonBurgundy
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I've been blasted for saying that Avengers is a better film
And you should be.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:22 am to LNCHBOX
Finally saw it last night.
Mrs. Baloo loved it, and thought it was a truly epic masterpiece, worthy of the final film of the series. I wasn't as enthused, though I did enjoy it. Most of my gripes can be summed up thusly:
The previous Batman films have been as close to "this is what would happen if Batman was real" as you could get. They didn't feel entirely like comic books, as they were partially grounded in reality. "Rises" was not grounded in this reality at all. It goes whole hog into the comic book universe and loses it's tether to the the real world.
And that's fine if that's what you're going for. The Avengers was great at making a comic book come to life with no pretense of reality. It was a superhero film and just loads of fun. This was a dour comic book film, but it just couldn't fully commit. I think it went to far into the comic book world without fully committing to it. IT wanted to be realistic-ish, but it cut all tethers. The film was without mooring.
I enjoyed it. It was good, but it wasn't great. And no offense to Tom Hardy, but Bane was no Joker. There was no scene like Joker sticking his head out the window of a car like a dog.
The film was satisfying, but not awe inspiring. In the final analysis, The Avengers was a more successful comic book movie. Though the Dark Knight is still the gold standard.
Mrs. Baloo loved it, and thought it was a truly epic masterpiece, worthy of the final film of the series. I wasn't as enthused, though I did enjoy it. Most of my gripes can be summed up thusly:
The previous Batman films have been as close to "this is what would happen if Batman was real" as you could get. They didn't feel entirely like comic books, as they were partially grounded in reality. "Rises" was not grounded in this reality at all. It goes whole hog into the comic book universe and loses it's tether to the the real world.
And that's fine if that's what you're going for. The Avengers was great at making a comic book come to life with no pretense of reality. It was a superhero film and just loads of fun. This was a dour comic book film, but it just couldn't fully commit. I think it went to far into the comic book world without fully committing to it. IT wanted to be realistic-ish, but it cut all tethers. The film was without mooring.
I enjoyed it. It was good, but it wasn't great. And no offense to Tom Hardy, but Bane was no Joker. There was no scene like Joker sticking his head out the window of a car like a dog.
The film was satisfying, but not awe inspiring. In the final analysis, The Avengers was a more successful comic book movie. Though the Dark Knight is still the gold standard.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:28 am to Baloo
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The previous Batman films have been as close to "this is what would happen if Batman was real" as you could get. They didn't feel entirely like comic books, as they were partially grounded in reality. "Rises" was not grounded in this reality at all. It goes whole hog into the comic book universe and loses it's tether to the the real world.
In what ways do you think TDKR was less "realistic" than the previous 2 films?
Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:32 am to EarthwormJim
quote:
I know it's a movie but damn.. one plane hooking on to another like that? Really?
Almost as realistic as a guy dressing in a batsuit and fighting crime?
Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:41 am to EarthwormJim
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n what ways do you think TDKR was less "realistic" than the previous 2 films?
Magical knee brace, Gotham being held hostage for months on American soil. Bane in general is less realistic. The whole fusion bomb..with only one man capable of diffusing it.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:43 am to EarthwormJim
Batman's costume has always been functional, so why is Catwoman wearing a mask? It just seemed like an excuse to put her in a costume.
Bane puts Wayne in a prison in India and Wayne escapes and makes his way back to Gotham with all of the borders being watched at all times. Ummm... how did Wayne and Bane travel like this? And why did we have an Indian setting?
The opening plane sequence, while fun, had no relation to reality whatsoever, and set a tone for the movie.
An underground army, living in the sewers, rises up and then eventually fights a police army?
The courtroom scenes and "exile".
Man, they poured a lot of explosive concrete, eh?
The bat-copter.
It just felt more comic book-y, and at no point did I think any of Bane's plan could have worked in a real world. Suspending disbelief, I had no such problem with the Joker and Raz al Gul's in the first two movies.
Bane puts Wayne in a prison in India and Wayne escapes and makes his way back to Gotham with all of the borders being watched at all times. Ummm... how did Wayne and Bane travel like this? And why did we have an Indian setting?
The opening plane sequence, while fun, had no relation to reality whatsoever, and set a tone for the movie.
An underground army, living in the sewers, rises up and then eventually fights a police army?
The courtroom scenes and "exile".
Man, they poured a lot of explosive concrete, eh?
The bat-copter.
It just felt more comic book-y, and at no point did I think any of Bane's plan could have worked in a real world. Suspending disbelief, I had no such problem with the Joker and Raz al Gul's in the first two movies.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:46 am to DanglingFury
quote:Hey jackass, maybe look to see who posted what before you get your fanboi panties in a wad.
quote:
I know it's a movie but damn.. one plane hooking on to another like that? Really?
I've seen a lot of whittling and nit picking over, ultimately what's an entertaining experience, but this is the first time I've seen the opening sequence panned. I thought that shite looked sweet, and they used mostly practical fx. You suck Scoob.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 9:50 am to RonBurgundy
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Magical knee brace, Gotham being held hostage for months on American soil. Bane in general is less realistic. The whole fusion bomb..with only one man capable of diffusing it.
I see your point, I just don't feel anything in this movie was less realistic than Bruce surviving alone in the wild until being trained by the League of Shadows, a magical device that summons bats or turns cellphones into sonar, Ra's trying to destroy Gotham with a water vaporizer. I don't think Bane was any less realistic a villain than the Joker.
I've always viewed Nolan's Batman as more human characters in a more realistic setting. I never believed everything in this movie world to be 100% plausible. I relate it to James Bond or Mission Imbossible. There's plenty of impossible things that take place but they are set in the real world, I never felt as though this batman universe was different.
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