re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*

Saw it tonight. Did not see the chick being a villain. Bane definitely put the pussy on a pedestal

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He used them on the Joker at the end.

"you know how I got these scars?"

"no but I know how you got these"

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Ah, totally forgot that part. But, then again, the last third of TDK is not my favorite. I can quote the first 2/3's, but the last 1/3 tails off.

Gordon's monologue with him riding into the night on the batpod, cops in pursuit was amazing was probably my 2nd favorite. (behind the interrogation)

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It's different yes, but I seriously didn't have trouble understanding anything he said. I don't know what that means, maybe I paid closer attention, I'm not sure. But this wasn't an issue for me.

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I paid EXTRA attention in those parts because I couldn't understand what he was saying many times. Somewhere around the halfway to end of the movie it becomes clearer, but there were parts that I just could not understand. [haven't seen it in true IMAX yet, but his voice should at least be discernible in any format].

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So Nolan is faulted for 1) providing a legit backstory in BB, 2) creating an awesome villain, which is typically a good thing and 3) your not sure you just didn't get enough Batman it should have been named something else.

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3 The Batman Movies; 7.6 hours of film... and, maybe, 4.5 hours of The Batman. [shows up an hour into BB; there all of TDK; don't have a good count on Rises, but wasn't there for the beginning or much of the middle].

Edit for clarity: not talking Batman screen time; talking Batman exists time. Screen time is probably much less.

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Good lord I'd like to see a movie that keeps you awake. It needs to be 30 minutes and not stop fighting and gun blast I guess. How bad is your attention span for this to be a snoozefest?

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The first two rank up there as some of my favorite films.

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They were both Batman movies, that's about it. You could have watched TDK without ever seeing BB and you'd be fine.

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They didn't directly relate, as in an orphan from the first is now an integral part of the canon, BUT, there are direct ties between the two. Gordon warns of the stakes being raised because of Batman's presence and shows the Joker card... Joker shows up and raises the stakes. Gordon warns that they haven't caught the criminals that escaped including Crane... Crane is caught in the first scene of TDK. Batman needs a DA capable and willing to prosecute the thugs he is bringing down... in steps Harvey. Batman grows into his role, and he builds upon his relationship with Gordon to change Gotham.

I'm sure you will have plenty more comparisons between Rises and begins, but to me, it did not flow as well. Could be because it takes place 8 years later with a crippled, recluse Batman.

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It bothered me that the US government/president did absolutely nothing. They flew some jets over and chilled on the bridge. Thanks a lot guys.

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Well, they did something... they shot at citizens trying to leave! WTF I get that the bomb [that Bruce built] would go off if someone left, but they were really going to shoot citizens. Whatever, it was just a movie, but again, for me, it was not on the same level as the other two, admittedly after only one viewing. Maybe, after I see it again, I will feel differently.



Just the whole premise didn't sit right with me. This movie was about the different new characters' stories, not the completion of Batman's story. This movie felt like it was about Selina Kyle, Blake, Talia, Bane, even Alfred... and very little about Batman/ Bruce's resolution. My theory is that the Joker didn't have a backstory; so, we didn't have to learn about him. Where as in Rises, we learn about Selina, the whole Pit situation with Bane/ Talia, and Blake takes center stage most of the film.

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Scoob

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It's a shame you're not in the industry. Hollywood is lessened every day your expertise isn't out there.

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It's a shame you're not in the industry. Hollywood is lessened every day your expertise isn't out there.

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nah, I'm better at sniping from cover

Seriously- you guys felt this was the movie you were waiting for? You were okay with Blake, a previously unknown entity (in Nolan's series, as well as Batman lit), being one of the major on-screen roles before merging into a psuedo-robin or replacement batman? You got the sense the director lovingly crafted this film into what he could call his crowning jewel?

I didn't. Seems like our tastes were pretty similar prior to seeing this, so I guess the others hit on a lot more levels.

I'm not taking anything personal and hope that nothing I say is taken as an attack as well.

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Seems almost like he had to go down (planned), just so Talia could blindside him.

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I just gotta disagree here. Batman couldn't hang with Bane the first go round. But Batman was a different person for the last fight and just plane beat him mano-a-mano. Broke his face outside and Bane became a drunk boxer after that. So Batman kicks him through the window and could have killed him there.

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That he basically was smirking at Batman while down.

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Umm. You could tell when he smirked?

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THAT is my point. Don't need no stinking Robin. This Batman rides alone

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Ok well that's a huge complaint. So no Selina Kyle either ey? Can't have your cookies and eat it too HEY O!

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I went to see this movie on the 1st day, because I liked the 2 prior films and wanted/hoped this to be great, just like everyone else posting (imo). I found it a built of a letdown, but ok. Some people felt basically offended by that like it's a troll, so I listed some of what I felt was flawed, on a discussion board. I even made a point of choosing some minor issues that easily should never have made it past the final editing, because I felt there wasn't the heart behind this movie that there was the previous two, and technical errors point to a lack of caring at the helm. Blast my gripes about the empty stadium all you want, but just like Bane's goofy muffled voice, it points to half-arse editing. Same goes for inserting Blake as a fix-all whenever you need to move the story to the next point, and for having Michael Caine do nothing but get teared up every time he's on screen. The movie didn't seem inspired to me.

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It was built up so much I can easily see it being a let down. It was just a perfect finish to me so I've enjoyed trying to defend it. It's hard to make a case for/defend how much heart a movie has because that's personal, we all react and connect to things differently.

But half-assed editing is disrespectful to arguably the best director of the past 10-12 years and a cliche complaint. He hasn't missed on anything he's done. And editing has been a strong point of his. Inception is a perfect example of that. Memento as well. You see bad editing with the first shot of the stadium. I can easily look at it as a stadium that isn't sold out seeing that on the full shot really only the upper deck was not full. Or that it was pregame and the fans aren't settled in. Can be easily justified for me. Sideline shots showed the lower section packed out. After the ground crumbled the shots showed the stadium half full maybe? Sure, the field is blowing up why the hell wouldn't they get out of there? And Banes voice being muffled is in no way related to editing You think that was something they glossed over? An entire main scene? Ugh, no. His voice was EXACTLY how they wanted it. That's really not even up for debate. You and others might not have liked it, but that's how Nolan wanted it to be. Not sure if you meant Blake being a partner most of the time and Alfred tearing up was bad editing too but that's another complaint that in no way should be made against editing. You can't just say "They should have cut them out or made the scenes different o that's bad editing." That's you not liking the story and acting.

If you weren't inspired then that's fine. The scene(s) with Wayne in prison, building up to him climing out of the hole, that in itself was enough inspiration for the whole movie. The chant going, and the score playing in the background while he climbed out and through the rope to them. Good stuff right there. To me.

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There were 30+ people on the board whom Wayne know much longer than a 28 year old who came out of nowhere. So he trusts her simply because she threw money at him?

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the more ridiculous part is that those 30+ people would have actually acted like Bruce Wayne actually traded away his share of Wayne Enterprises. They knew that Bain broke into the Stock Exchange and did something fishy. Yet, we're supposed to just pretend like they are going to go along with that? It is completely not believable. It's retarded. At least one person would have stood up and said, "Bruce, we know that you didn't do this, that it was Bain."

The SEC might have taken a while to straighten everything out, as Fox mentioned. But, the board would not have pretended like Bruce just threw his shares away.

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I just got done watching it a 2nd time and I really enjoyed it a lot more than my first viewing. I felt overwhelmed the first time I watched it but I understood it a lot better this time.

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I was extremely entertained watching the movie. But, the more I think about it, the less I think that it will have lasting power with me. There are two things that make this movie unbelievable and lead me to believe that I won't be able to enjoy it again.

1. Bruce Wayne sleeping with Talia. It has nothing to do with trusting her. I think that is justified in that he was trying so hard not to let Dagget take control of the board. And, Fox recommended that he trust Tate. Also, she had been the only one supporting the project financially and emotionally.

But, there is zero reason to believe that he would fall for her and sleep with her so quickly. He is devastated by Rachel's death. He can't move on. So, Tate picks up Rachel's picture, reminding Bruce of how much it hurts, and he automatically falls for her? It was unbelievable.

And, that made the big twist of Tate being Talia meaningless as a viewer. I didn't care about her character and it wasn't really that big of a deal to me.

2. Bain and Wall Street. I'm willing to stretch my belief to be okay with it taking the SEC a while to work out what Bain did and to correct it. (Even that is a big stretch, though) But, I can't pretend like the board for Wayne Enterprises would pretend like Wayne through away his shares on his own. I just can't. It's stupid and it is essential to the plot of the movie. And, I can't excuse it. It makes zero sense.

Because of these two things, this movie will have no lasting power with me. While I enjoyed it thoroughly in the theater (probably more than TDK), I won't be able to enjoy it nearly as much on a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th watch.