re: OFFICIAL - The Dark Knight Rises Discussion Thread - *SPOILERS*

Nolan said a week ago that he won't be producing any more DC movies (like he did for mos) and that his Batman is done.

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I love all three of these movies but to say The Dark Knight avoided all potholes is pretty crazy to me. The jokers plan had several.

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Yeah I know but it feels like the holes in this one are a bit more egregious than in TDK. Maybe it's just me having higher expectations. I walked into TDK basically expecting nothing other than Batman Begins part 2 because I had spent the previous 6 months working on a political campaign and didn't really know much other than Ledger had died.

FANTASTIC film! I'm not going to nitpick yet as I know I will see it again on Sunday. After that, I will. Oh, and Tom Hardy's performance as Bane stole the show. I will even go as far as to say he topped ledger's performance in TDK.

Yes!

sorry if this has been brought up, but its now 13 pages.

this isnt DKR specific, but why the frick do people continually shoot and fire upon a nuclear bomb? fire missels at the truck, carrying a nuke doesnt really seem like a sound plan. this seems to happen in every action film with a nuke. does no one understand its a nuke?

the movie couldve easily been 30min shorter. that beginning was almost painfully slow.

i dont like the non-explanation of bruce being so fricked up at the start. i get it, he was batman and it hurt him. but he took 8 years off! yet he can come back from a broken back in 5 months? why all of a sudden was he becoming worn out?

what exactly were the citizens of gotham doing for 5 months? there was chaos for like a day, then it seemed they all just sat around chilling.

nolan is a great story teller, but he definitely just blazes over the details

Those are all legit issues and honestly I think that this was way too ambitious of a movie. They had to pack a ton of stuff into almost 3 hours and it shows with things like we've been talking about. I have a feeling it will grow on me but 66% of the movie is very clunky. With all they were trying to do the movie probably should have been 45 minutes to an hour longer and split into part 1 and part 2

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I will even go as far as to say he topped ledger's performance in TDK

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Hardy was good, but let's not get carried away here....

And I'm not just saying that because Ledger is dead.

It's basically impossible for Hardy's role to surpass the Joker, regardless of how well Hardy played Bane, because the film didn't focus on Bane enough as a character.

He was more of a force of nature than something organic if that makes sense.

I really liked the movie but it is still my least favorite of the trilogy. The first hour was kind of boring. The ending was phenomenal though. Let me start with what I did not like.

Michael Caine did nothing but blubber the entire movie.

I didn't like the reason he decided to unretire. After 8 years you think it'd have to be something huge to get him back. At least have the stock market scene be the reason.

The thumbprint plot to bankrupt him was stupid.

They show Bruce Wayne can barely walk and has to use a cane yet when he fights he suddenly shows no signs of wear. It's even worse that he fights better after he has his back broken all while taking no pain medication.

When people groaned about the casting of Hathaway many said that those same people (I was not among them) said the same thing about Heath's casting. While she was not bad by any means, I thought it was a good performance but it didn't blow me away. I think they shouldn't have even included Catwoman. I mean they show that she is 125lbs and she beats the crap out of trained men whose job is security and protection.

I hated the Batman death fake out. When Alfred talked about hoping to see Bruce with a girl earlier in the film I thought it felt odd. As soon as we saw the ending, I knew it was going to be a reality and felt it cheapened Batman's sacrifice. They made a big deal about the auto-pilot so I assume that's how he escaped.

I hated the Al Ghul vision. Nolan's films are grounded in reality and to have that was out of place. I could maybe understand if he was hallucinating but even then hallucinations don't reveal previously unknown details.

What I liked:

I loved the twist about the child being Tahlia. I read months ago that Marion was to play her but with the movie 2/3 over I assumed they dropped that plot line and I liked the twist about Bane being her protector.

The whole time I was waiting for Levitt to either replace Batman or become Robin. With the movie almost over I thought he was nothing but a red-herring and was glad to see it followed through. I even thought that little boy with the chalk might be the Robin to Levitt's Batman.

I loved Bane. He didn't hold a candle to the Joker and a part of me wishes they saved Joker for part 3 because of it but he still did a great job. I liked his voice, btw. I did not like that I had trouble hearing many lines (not just Bane's) due to the music drowning it out.

I liked the chemistry between Batman and Catwoman.

*What did the lady say about Robin at the end of the movie? Like I said, I had trouble hearing many scenes.

you get my point. he took 8 years off... why? and how did he get so worn out if he basically retired after TDK?


i dont think the movie needed to be longer/split. it just needed more focus. nolan beat the "im not batman any more" to death! i got it, man. bruce quit. move on. it took so long for that to develop. he also tried waaay too hard to make the talia thing a shock.

the misdirection with the love interest and that daggard guy or whatever. both pretty lame parts of the film.

did no one else think it was kinda funny how bruce dropped the rope to all the criminals into the pit? was the thought that the pit was no longer full of the worst criminals around?

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They make it quite clear in the prison that he had a herniated spinal disc.

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the guy saying he was a doctor said vertebrae, not disc

a protruding disc would have made sense in the sense that it can protrude (although it presumably would have been displaced in the other direction if it were causing that kind of pain) and could then be corrected via surgery. it of course does not make sense to try and fix a disc by punching someone in the area of the protrusion (even if your nimble fingers can precisely identify this w/o using something like a CT or contrast radiograph).

the whole fricked up back thing didn't make any medical sense to anyone with even a minimum of medical knowledge IMO